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It doesn’t seem like the weight savings are adding up… I keep hearing 40kg lighter than the GT3 Touring, but here’s the math afaict:
RWS: 7.5kg
Li+ battery: 2.5kg
Clutch/Flywheel: 11kg
Carpets: 2.5kg
Mag wheels: 10kg
CFRP doors: 5kg
Rear anti roll bars and shear panel: 4kg
And that’s 42.5kg, but it doesn’t include the other carbon fiber reinforced plastic panels… the boot, the fenders, that’s even more weight savings. 48kg lighter?
Is the GT3 Touring heavier than the quoted weight and they couldn’t go back and change it so they were stuck?
I’m super surprised that they didn’t go with a titanium exhaust like they did with the 911R… easy place to save another 15kg
100%. The flippers and dealers are the only ones who don't want this resolved. Everyone else does, because nobody wants to enrich middlemen with no value add.
Personally I was mostly indifferent as to whether this got solved or not, or even had the belief that it was a problem to begin with, as it had nothing to do with me other than making me look good in comparison which is quite honestly the only way I can look good. This is why I make it a point to surround myself with awful people.
And it still isn't actually solved. VIPs are still going to flip with little to no fear of consequence as the few that are left are at the last days of the program, and dealers are going to sell used Macans for $200k over market or find other ways to get theirs. Last, flippers are still going to be there cause they don't mind waiting out 12 months for a $200k profit, so flipper problem deferred not solved, only it will be worse because even more supply scarcity the first year will drive market price up.
Porsche could have easily addressed this with a Ferrari like 1yr rofr, or a Z06 like warranty loss if sold the first year, or black listing people who sell within a year, or all of those things combined and it would have addressed the problem better than this. It still wouldn't have stopped the VIPs and dealers, and it still would have only deferred the problem, but there's nothing they can really do to stop water finding its level based on how many people demand these scarcely supplied cars.
In the end, this mostly slightly affects me and the three other people who have managed to create honorable and functional relationships with their dealers, from whom they get high demand cars at msrp and always give them back to them without making a penny. People like myself who are trusted to be sold cars like the SC at msrp because our love of the brand and cars is greater than the draw to make $200k on a flip, an amount that I was offered multiple times for my SC and never even entertained. And as a reward for that correct behavior, contrasted by all the folks who burn relationships to flip a car for $30k, we get to get charged $30-40k in interest for our troubles under a scheme that will just temporarily move water around but in a way convenient enough for Porsche to add their own ADM to the car. They create a problem via production scarcity and offer to solve it by charging us more. (ie. problem/reaction/solution)
It's fine, it is merely an observation not an actual complaint. I just find all of this to be at best clumsy and ineffective, at worse intentionally manipulative. If you want to charge more for the car charge more for the car, don't hide it under altruistic marketing.
On the plus side, if first reports are to be trusted it appears that Porsche have succeeded in making the ST at least as special as the R was ... if so none of what I said above will be on my mind whilst driving it.
The lease deal pushes the car up at least $50k especially for those states that allow tax credit on trade. No trades plus the watch is rumored. In an attempt to punish the flippers everyone gets whacked.
For the gt3rs I had to finance/lease atleast 10k but only for 4 weeks min and buy the stupid watch
Im skipping on the ST (and i actually prefer the look of the touring back to the ST back - hate these "II" brake lights) as the speedster is coming next year - based on the 992.1 - atleast thats what my cleaning lady says...
The lease deal pushes the car up at least $50k especially for those states that allow tax credit on trade. No trades plus the watch is rumored. In an attempt to punish the flippers everyone gets whacked.
Why would Porsche not allow trades on the ST, thereby punishing not only the customer but also the Dealer. If that rumor pans out, it makes zero sense to me. And I could not care less about Porsche watches.
Whoa, Justaroofer- if your prediction holds true, that will be a very expensive 911! Then the S/T becomes more of a collector car instead of a driver like it was intended. Sad.
Eh, its still a driver car, just makes you have to really want it as such. People drive a lot of cars that are 400k a LOT...it just makes you have to be a bit more dedicated about it, and tbh, a 50k markup vs the 200-300 IF it cut out other groups isnt the biggest pill to swallow if you were so inclined anyways.
09-26-2023, 10:33 AM
