welikethetrack

If the Porsche bean counters give me a 911 ST allocation (they won’t)

im going PTS delete No paint, just primer, don’t even paint the car. I’m going to put so many rock chips on this thing at the track it’s gonna need to be repainted anyways.

stop giving the good cars to automobile hoarders.

what these goofballs at Porsche need to do
is start tracking who’s driving the GT cars and start with the person who has driven the most miles in the last say 10 years and give him the first car, then 2nd most the 2nd car and so on…why is this so difficult?

instead they’re just gonna sell them to the old geezers that are gonna putt putt it around their warehouse garage and make sure the trickle charger is plugged in so when he keels over it can then be sold to merit partners or placed on bat so the next geezer can hook it up to his trickle charger rofl it’s like special edition GT cars are stuck in the matrix at this point

Marv

Hey! I like your allocation assignment (I might just be in the pole position at 151K miles).

While they're at it, they can get rid of the ADM, too.

Manifold

For one thing, the footprint of a car needs to be bigger in order to improve lap time.

Marv

Porsche is just following the market.

That turn started in earnest with the last of the air-cooled cars and has been continuing ever since. It's amazing how much comfort and performance can be built into these cars thanks to technology (and changing DOT safety standards).

If there really was significant demand, Porsche would build it and they kind of do with the GT4 and GT4 RS.

Lastly, what do you consider modern amenities? That probably means different things to different people. I'm happy with A/C (this is Florida), but beyond power windows is extra baggage to me. So, I do fit into that small sub-category for raw, but I think I am the exception.

GrantG

Not too sure about that. Do you have any evidence for that? F1 cars are pretty tiny…

Manifold

I don’t know the track widths and wheelbase of F1 cars, but they’re obviously very low and have mega aero. And of course designed within regulations to form a racing class.

welikethetrack

Wow 151k mikes is extraordinarily impressive. How many different models did you do this over?

GrantG

OK, let's put aside racing classes governed by a formula. What other data can you share about the advantages of a large car vs. a small one?

Manifold

Wider track width reduces lateral load transfer in cornering, and longer wheelbase reduces longitudinal load transfer in braking and accelerating. This is basic physics. Penalty for bigger footprint is typically added weight and the driver not liking the car feeling 'big'.

Footprint of the 911 increased a lot from the 997 to 991, and we can see the difference in feel and objective performance.

ipse dixit

I think what Manifold meant to say is that the footprint of the car (or the wheelbase) will improve lap times based on the ratio of the wheelbase to the overall length of the car.

The closer the ratio, the better the lap times.

GrantG

I can see how the ratio of track relative to length and wheelbase (basically, the shape of the footprint) would be significant, but don’t see advantage to overall increase in size (size of the footprint).

I know larger cars exponentially increase the aerodynamic drag and limit the ability to navigate tight sections of a track.

Manifold

By footprint, I mean wheelbase and track widths (dimensions of where the tires touch the ground), not overall length and width of the car. I should have been more clear about that.

Marv

The same car pictured in my signature. I bought the car with 5,500 miles on it and been driving the snot out of it.

I know, it's a bit ugly and slow compared to the new models, but it is raw and unforgiving when you screw up.

PTS

Black with silver mags and silver trim looks incredible on the ST

GrantG

Delete