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How do you think the laptimes of the S/T (Nürburgring Nordschleife and short track like Hockenheim) compare with the GT3 Winged and Touring (and even Manual and PDK to get more complicated)? I remember with the 911R, it held its own very well against its contemporary 991.1 GT3, due to its high power to weight ratio (despite having a manual and the suspension being less track tuned).
Here's the 911R (place #49 and GT3 at #53) compared against others:
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-short
Here's the 911R (place #49 and GT3 at #53) compared against others:
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-short
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How do you think the laptimes of the S/T (Nürburgring Nordschleife and short track like Hockenheim) compare with the GT3 Winged and Touring (and even Manual and PDK to get more complicated)? I remember with the 911R, it held its own very well against its contemporary 991.1 GT3, due to its high power to weight ratio (despite having a manual and the suspension being less track tuned).
Here's the 911R (place #49 and GT3 at #53) compared against others:
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-short
Here's the 911R (place #49 and GT3 at #53) compared against others:
https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-short
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On a long course, despite PDK and RAS, the 200-300lb and slight HP advantage of the ST wins over the GT3 but not the RS.
The results you pointed to support my musings.
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On a short course, the shorter gearing and 200lb advantage will have the ST pulling out of corners much harder than the RS. The RS's aero and PDK won't be an advantage.
On a long course, despite PDK and RAS, the 200-300lb and slight HP advantage of the ST wins over the GT3 but not the RS.
The results you pointed to support my musings.
On a long course, despite PDK and RAS, the 200-300lb and slight HP advantage of the ST wins over the GT3 but not the RS.
The results you pointed to support my musings.
I'm pretty sure Porsche won't run laptimes for the S/T, but some magazines (like Sport Auto) should run some with Cup2 R tires.
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I think you may be forgetting that the RS has the shortened PDK close-ratio 7-speed gearing (lower than the GT3's PDK), so each of its gears is lower than the manual ratios in the S/T. Also, the RS's suspension (also with its wider track and wider wheels/tires) is going to be a huge advantage on every track. I am not sure yet how much of a disadvantage (if any) the lack of Rear Axle Steering is on track for the S/T. I think even Hockenheim is fast enough for the aero to be a benefit to the RS (both in cornering and braking).
I'm pretty sure Porsche won't run laptimes for the S/T, but some magazines (like Sport Auto) should run on with Cup2 R tires.
I'm pretty sure Porsche won't run laptimes for the S/T, but some magazines (like Sport Auto) should run on with Cup2 R tires.
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I don't think this fully explains it. Lotus Elise is decades old. The Alpine 110 is a modern light & small car and fits portly guys like the fellow below. Other reviews have reported a 6'5" guy fitting in. If Alpine can do modern 2400lb with AC, radio, insulation, and comfort, something tells me Porsche ought to be able to do the same with 2700lb at 3x the price and 10x the volume (economies of scale). But all this is probably mute as by 2030 the powers that be will only allow for $2mil 5000lb electric cyborgs that only 0.001% could afford & drive anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TwP7QyelHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TwP7QyelHA
'Fitting in' means very differently when in context.
You probably can be 'fitting' into your wife/gf's thong. Would you consider that as 'fitting in'?
Can Porsche do a car like the Alpine? Not an exact carbon copy, but absolutely they can along that line, but not enough pimple will buy it, the 'purists' will be like where is my leather door card? Where is my cupholder? Where is the passenger seat so I can take my 250lb friend for a joy ride.
Look no farther than those that say I want to skip the front axle lift and the really wanted to skip the nav screen to save 10lbs to be 'pure', when the seat next to their's weight 50lbs...........Not to mention the other 120lbs worth of stuff inside the car with padding insulation door trims console trims etc.
When you spill something, do you grab the paper towel to drop the first piece down to the main area first? where it can soak up the most spill? Or do you go dabbing around the side and clean up the droplets while leaving the main spill untouched? That's what the 'purists' are doing, they are only concerned about the side drips, not the main spill.
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I really like the black launch color as well. My RS incoming has Lizard threads & belts etc I missed out on the tribute. I just built my own via CXX - viper green wheels & decals etc / Arriving Oct10th. Glad we can get the topic back on track. Colors & positive vibes is refreshing
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I don't think this fully explains it. Lotus Elise is decades old. The Alpine 110 is a modern light & small car and fits portly guys like the fellow below. Other reviews have reported a 6'5" guy fitting in. If Alpine can do modern 2400lb with AC, radio, insulation, and comfort, something tells me Porsche ought to be able to do the same with 2700lb at 3x the price and 10x the volume (economies of scale). But all this is probably mute as by 2030 the powers that be will only allow for $2mil 5000lb electric cyborgs that only 0.001% could afford & drive anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TwP7QyelHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TwP7QyelHA