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Old 08-10-2023 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by goin2drt
Interesting. I have a friend (the only person I know personally) that is a VIP and he still says it is the 911R that he would keep.
i will keep my

R but I must say : in today’s world the GT4RS is a real unicorn !!!
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Old 08-10-2023 | 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by cosmos
That must be the reason you’re not buying one.
Reason I’m not buying one is because these “special editions” are a complete cash grab for dealers, facilitated by Porsche. Most will go to flippers. Porsche artificially limits production to enable dealers to allocate to their best customers, and most flip them for massive profits.
Although this time Porsche got even more greedy, the MSRP is a joke! This will limit dealers’ ability to mark it up.
I find it laughable.
Old 08-10-2023 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by usctrojanGT3
I LOVE the GT4RS and will be my track b1tch for many years to come.
Just ironic hearing people's experiences with the 4RS. AP was clearly positioning it as the best mid-engined road car for canyons/back roads...clearly not a fan favorite but wild they built it!

I will go for a manual Spyder some day soon but the wife have me sleeping in it.
Old 08-10-2023 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by C.J. Ichiban
for me, like Whoopsy- the GT4RS is the car I've always wanted them to make. the raucous chainsaw noises from the engine are not present in any of their current 911's because of the firewalls. It's ludicrous.

the spyder should be even more ludicrous.
That's why the GT4RS had a much bigger want factor than the GT3/Touring and the GT3RS. I was keeping up with 991 GT3/RSs in my GT4s on track so now I should be able to do more than that with the GT4RS with both 991 and 992 GT3/RSs.
Old 08-10-2023 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris C.
Just ironic hearing people's experiences with the 4RS. AP was clearly positioning it as the best mid-engined road car for canyons/back roads...clearly not a fan favorite but wild they built it!

I will go for a manual Spyder some day soon but the wife have me sleeping in it.
I just had so much fun tracking my 981 and 718 GT4s that I was foaming at the mouth when they announced the GT4RS. The GT4RS is a car that will not ever leave my garage.
Old 08-10-2023 | 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Surge74
Reason I’m not buying one is because these “special editions” are a complete cash grab for dealers, facilitated by Porsche. Most will go to flippers. Porsche artificially limits production to enable dealers to allocate to their best customers, and most flip them for massive profits.
Although this time Porsche got even more greedy, the MSRP is a joke! This will limit dealers’ ability to mark it up.
I find it laughable.
agreed on many points but think about it..how many cars fall into this category? Porsche has effectively created their own version of 992.1 singer
Old 08-10-2023 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bobsleigh
i will keep my

R but I must say : in today’s world the GT4RS is a real unicorn !!!
hmm.:May be…doesn’t come in stick tho
Old 08-10-2023 | 12:44 PM
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The blip aka rev match will be a selectable function from the touchscreen. It was a physical button on the 911R in the console but not anymore.



Originally Posted by fester
Watching this being unveiled and watched every single video on YouTube.

Couple of interesting things about this in standard specs - a) throttle blip button (like GT4/GT3) is not seen in videos / pics etc but spec says it is there (see attached). b) comes with power steering plus.. hmm. I hate it whenever I drive it (drove in 992 GTS and 991.1 S) and it comes standard..perhaps goes well with extra light clutch and single mass fly wheel set up driving experience??



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Originally Posted by fester
agreed on many points but think about it..how many cars fall into this category? Porsche has effectively created their own version of 992.1 singer
Problem with the 992 though is the size. Can’t truly feel like an old school car when it’s that big.
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Old 08-10-2023 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
Problem with the 992 though is the size. Can’t truly feel like an old school car when it’s that big.
compared to a 964, sure. But it’s about the same size and lighter than the 991. And the ST is only like 150lbs heavier than the 997 GT3. I’m sorry, but I think that’s amazing.
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Old 08-10-2023 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmos
compared to a 964, sure. But it’s about the same size and lighter than the 991. And the ST is only like 150lbs heavier than the 997 GT3. I’m sorry, but I think that’s amazing.
I dunno, I currently have 992, 991, and 997 cars, and 992 feels significantly bigger to me - not a dealbreaker, but bigger. The digital interface of the 992 is also not very old school. Would be really cool if Porsche reissued a car with 964 proportions.
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Old 08-10-2023 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Manifold
I dunno, I currently have 992, 991, and 997 cars, and 992 feels significantly bigger to me - not a dealbreaker, but bigger. The digital interface of the 992 is also not very old school. Would be really cool if Porsche reissued a car with 964 proportions.
Yes, a 992 feels MUCH bigger than both my 996 GT3 and my 987 Boxster. Modern 911s have become grand-tourers. Modern Porsche sports cars most resembling old school 911s are now the 718s.

992 ST is no Singer.

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Old 08-10-2023 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hf1
Yes, a 992 feels MUCH bigger than both my 996 GT3 and my 987 Boxster. Modern 911s have become grand-tourers. Modern Porsche sports cars most resembling old school 911s are now the 718s.

992 ST is no Singer.
Yes,same with M3s : M2 is the new M3.
Manufacturers make them bigger and bigger as people become fatter and fatter.
Old 08-10-2023 | 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by hf1
Yes, a 992 feels MUCH bigger than both my 996 GT3 and my 987 Boxster. Modern 911s have become grand-tourers. Modern Porsche sports cars most resembling old school 911s are now the 718s.

992 ST is no Singer.
Have you lived with a 992? I heard this before before I bought one. While the proportions may be indeed slightly larger, it's a fantasy to call it a grand tourer. It's very much a 911 and I've owned mostly aircooled cars. You know what is amazing? That despite all the manufacturing regs and reqs, a 992 weighs the same as a 993 30 years later.

Also, are you here just to bash the ST and current model 911s? I'm not sure what you're adding to the ST convo. All I hear is how much you love your 996 and Boxsters and how much you'd prefer something other than the ST.
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Old 08-10-2023 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilder
Have you lived with a 992? I heard this before before I bought one. While the proportions may be indeed slightly larger, it's a fantasy to call it a grand tourer. It's very much a 911 and I've owned mostly aircooled cars. You know what is amazing? That despite all the manufacturing regs and reqs, a 992 weighs the same as a 993 30 years later.
Have you driven a 992 and an aircooled (or a 996 GT3) back to back? Do they seem similar to you?

Also, are you here just to bash the ST and current model 911s? I'm not sure what you're adding to the ST convo. All I hear is how much you love your 996 and Boxsters and how much you'd prefer something other than the ST.
There are people in this thread that talk about cars and people that talk about other people. I like the former more.



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