Yc911Kid

dig the m2cs a lot. only bmw i'd consider buying

Yc911Kid

main hype around it was "it's the last manual gt car". many "investers" took a major hit which made me very happy

Wilder

By this logic, each of the 20+ 911 variants are parts bin specials. Lazy thinking.

momo360

There are over 30 variants actually! And yes there is a s**t ton of overlap.

Wilder

I count 26, and that's with the ST thrown in. I don't see it as overlap. I see it as nuance. Perhaps that's why you view the ST as a parts bin special and I view it as a very specific tool for a very specific job?

Taffy66

The extra weight is also right at the back which is the worst place to add weight to any 911.

JCZ5

Whats wrong with a parts bin special? You want a bespoke car from the ground up? That is what you call a 959, Carrera GT, Mission X, etc. These cars are in another price bracket all together.

Personally I love a parts bin special car. Allows everyone to experience some essence of the higher end models at all price points aka the T

Taffy66

Havind owned both non GT 991 with RAS and 992 without I would say that RAS is a pretty much a 'must have' on 991s and more of a 'nice to have' on the 992. Suspect the reasons for this is the quicker steering rack on the 992 as well as the engine mounts moved 4'' more forward.

Manifold

I was surprised by the negative comments about the 4RS and how polarizing the car apparently is. I talked with a friend today who co-owns a local used car dealership, and he said he knows of two people in the area who are done with their 4RS and want to sell it. He also said prices on the car have been coming down a good bit and are now in the $200-220k range wholesale. There may be a cautionary tale here regarding overpaying for the ST. The 911 and Cayman/Boxster variants are all very good cars, but IMO none of them are so special that they can be relied upon to perpetually command a big price premium. Maybe some people don't care about costs and depreciation, but I'm guessing that they're the exceptions, even among 'rich' people.

fxz

4RS is a use casa apart , not competent or fun on track as any rear engine GT3/RS, too firm on legal roads , guess why they want to sell it

white6speed

I had 3 friends who ordered their GT4RS and all 3 sold them fairly quickly because they were so loud inside the car not even on a track.

AlexCeres

“I want an RS! Wait, no, not like that”

lol

ipse dixit

If the S/T is a parts bin special, can someone tell me which 911 variant is not a parts bin special?

mass27

Well, since the release of the R there have been 2 versions of Tourings built in the many thousands that did their best to emulate the R. So, perhaps the R was more special in that it was more of a novel concept. In regards to objective differences, I think the S/T is just as special as the R, perhaps more so because keeping weight low after 8 years of regulations that want you to increase weight and fuel efficiency is not easy.

And, please don't talk about the pricing and how cheap the R was comparatively. It was cheap bc Porsche did not wisen up. When the 994 touring is way past $300K with options, the S/T will then seem like a bargain.

cosmos

Yes and no. I’ve extensively driven the 4RS last year and my thoughts echo others. If Porsche sold a 997RS now, it would sell like the 4RS.

Despite what people shout from the sidelines, money talks. There are not hundreds of people who wanted to buy a GT3 and can’t, maybe a few dozen. If people want one they would buy one, it’s that simple.

The 4RS is too niche, the 992 appeals to a broader audience, one that wants equal part’s performance and prestige, a 4RS has one, but not the other, so it halves it’s market share compared to the 992. The Spyder version will get greater share because it’s a convertible and no other GT takes it top off for the price.

The ST is an interesting car. It’s priced high now, but it also allows Porsche to experiment with glass ceiling pricing with No down side. The new cars are moving up Market and when the 992 Speedster comes out, you will all see a new glass ceiling price for GT cars.