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08-13-2023, 07:52 PM
#2251
Here's some irony for you.
Porsche builds the ST. $300K. Charges $100K more than the Touring. People bitch about the value. Porsche says it's a limited number of 1963 units. ADM sky rockets. Buy one at MSRP you will never lose money.
Ferrari builds the 430 Scuderia. $300K. Charges $100K more than the 430. No one complains about the value. Ferrari builds 1900 units. Values fall of the cliff (ask me how I know)
Funny how 1900 units is limited for one manufacturer and too many for another.
Porsche builds the ST. $300K. Charges $100K more than the Touring. People bitch about the value. Porsche says it's a limited number of 1963 units. ADM sky rockets. Buy one at MSRP you will never lose money.
Ferrari builds the 430 Scuderia. $300K. Charges $100K more than the 430. No one complains about the value. Ferrari builds 1900 units. Values fall of the cliff (ask me how I know)
Funny how 1900 units is limited for one manufacturer and too many for another.
08-13-2023, 07:55 PM
#2252
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My mag wheels alone were 21k with tires and sensors on my 991.2. It’s too bad they don’t fit as I prefer the look better than any other wheel.
What I am surprised about with the S/T and the 100k price difference over a touring is the exhaust. You’d think for a 100k extra and those goodies they could have used titanium and saved a few more pounds.
What I am surprised about with the S/T and the 100k price difference over a touring is the exhaust. You’d think for a 100k extra and those goodies they could have used titanium and saved a few more pounds.
And you make a solid point. When configuring an ST and Dakar I don't go over $5k in options. Yet the median options spend on a a GTS and GT3 is likely in the range of $40k.
08-13-2023, 07:59 PM
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The video below suggests it sounds different so there may be a different exhaust.
And you make a solid point. When configuring an ST and Dakar I don't go over $5k in options. Yet the median options spend on a a GTS and GT3 is likely in the range of $40k.
https://youtu.be/MibuHiTAUKU?si=nD4wSMSZ9L2wvZin
And you make a solid point. When configuring an ST and Dakar I don't go over $5k in options. Yet the median options spend on a a GTS and GT3 is likely in the range of $40k.
https://youtu.be/MibuHiTAUKU?si=nD4wSMSZ9L2wvZin
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08-13-2023, 08:05 PM
#2254
As did Jbravo and others, I am very happy with my Cargraphics Exhaust Valve Controller.
Great bang for the buck!
Great bang for the buck!
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08-13-2023, 09:05 PM
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I'm an AMG fan, and have found them to be fun and reliable cars. With that in mind, I test drove an SL63 and I wanted to love it because I love the aesthetics, but I was disappointed by how it drives. Comfort mode wasn't very comfortable, and the sportier modes didn't feel like they were in the same league as a Porsche. But for the right driver on the right roads for the right uses, I can see that it could be a very nice car.
It will be fine for a gf car haha.
But yeah no, I am impressed with the 'standard' interior, stitchings, leather everywhere. Nothing feels 'cheap' inside. Say, unlike the standard 911 interior where one has to get to at least turbo trim to mostly get rid of all the plastic.
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08-13-2023, 09:16 PM
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There's lots of logic in that but the problem with that is Porsche's brand image and philosophy -- which is racing.
The S/T is priced the way it is -- despite the lack of any true bespoke parts -- because it is riding on the coatails of Porsche's heritage and brand image.
The S/T is priced the way it is -- despite the lack of any true bespoke parts -- because it is riding on the coatails of Porsche's heritage and brand image.
The Dakar is priced the way it is -- despite it's plethora of bespoke parts -- because it does not fit (squarely) that image, despite the fact that Porsche did race in the Dakar rally, but no one outside of die-hard Porsche circle jerks would know that.
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08-13-2023, 09:32 PM
#2258
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Riding the coattails is exactly what it is. When people see a S/T, unless one is a diehard Porsche fan, they will only see 'just another 911 in a sea of thousands'. Literally only the most diehard of diehards can tell it is a special car.
The Dakar however is another story, it doesn't take a diehard Porsche fan either. To the most causal observer, it will already look 'different', jacked up and doesn't ride as low. Look closer and the wing is going to be different than any other wing on any Porsches. And if someone opt for the Roughroad graphics, people WILL make the association to the Rothmans racing days. Porsche did win the Dakar after all and back then plenty of Rothmans toy cars are produced and most adults would have come across them. May not apply to the millennials but then again they are ignorant to just about anything anyways.
The Dakar however is another story, it doesn't take a diehard Porsche fan either. To the most causal observer, it will already look 'different', jacked up and doesn't ride as low. Look closer and the wing is going to be different than any other wing on any Porsches. And if someone opt for the Roughroad graphics, people WILL make the association to the Rothmans racing days. Porsche did win the Dakar after all and back then plenty of Rothmans toy cars are produced and most adults would have come across them. May not apply to the millennials but then again they are ignorant to just about anything anyways.
08-13-2023, 09:38 PM
#2259
Here's some irony for you.
Porsche builds the ST. $300K. Charges $100K more than the Touring. People bitch about the value. Porsche says it's a limited number of 1963 units. ADM sky rockets. Buy one at MSRP you will never lose money.
Ferrari builds the 430 Scuderia. $300K. Charges $100K more than the 430. No one complains about the value. Ferrari builds 1900 units. Values fall of the cliff (ask me how I know)
Funny how 1900 units is limited for one manufacturer and too many for another.
Porsche builds the ST. $300K. Charges $100K more than the Touring. People bitch about the value. Porsche says it's a limited number of 1963 units. ADM sky rockets. Buy one at MSRP you will never lose money.
Ferrari builds the 430 Scuderia. $300K. Charges $100K more than the 430. No one complains about the value. Ferrari builds 1900 units. Values fall of the cliff (ask me how I know)
Funny how 1900 units is limited for one manufacturer and too many for another.
08-13-2023, 11:48 PM
#2261
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Then how you gonna explain my purchase of the most unbelieved 911 generation, 996 turbo S cab?
Or how about my 968? Which most trashed also.
Maybe my GT4RS that I am really really in love with even when quite a few others are trashing it?
My Mach E GT? And my Lightning? How about my Z4? Or the incoming SL63?
What about the invisible Golf R with a roof box? Subaru WRX STI?
Just because I have a few flashy cars doesn't mean that's all that I wanted.
Have I mentioned I am also a proud owner of the Porsche depreciation king, the Panamera turbo S also? Which incidentally is my daily, and I loved it more than my Taycans so those are gone and the Panamera stayed. No one even bats an eye at the Panamera, I get more looks in the Golf R.
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08-14-2023, 12:01 AM
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Here is my take for a proper S/T that I don't mind spending 400k for one.
Start with the 992 Cup car. Delete the wing. Swapped in the RS engine. Swapped out the race transmission for the excellent PDK, but keep the carbon shift peddles. Delete the passenger door and just sheet metal or a carbon panel over it. No gas struts for the hood, just a carbon prop rod a la Weissach 918s. Lexan windows all around (Maybe not that extreme because of law, but fixed windows without the opening mechanisms to save weight. Just a sliding slot on the driver side for parking meters) . Keep most of the race car's switch gear. Put in a 7" or something screen for the mandatory back up camera. Choice of seat, 918 bucket or Recaro bucket, just a single seat for the driver. leave interior completed bare metal. Take out the plastic dash cover. Standard PCCB. Only 1 colour offered, primer, without actual paint. Plastic wrap optional. I guess street tuned suspension too, as the race tuned one will be too stiff.
Limit it to 500 cars. Don't think anyone that say they 'want' a 'lightweight' spec is willing to go to this extreme.
Now that's a proper lightweight driver's car.
Heck I wouldn't mind dropping even 500k for one.
Hey Porsche, you reading this?
Start with the 992 Cup car. Delete the wing. Swapped in the RS engine. Swapped out the race transmission for the excellent PDK, but keep the carbon shift peddles. Delete the passenger door and just sheet metal or a carbon panel over it. No gas struts for the hood, just a carbon prop rod a la Weissach 918s. Lexan windows all around (Maybe not that extreme because of law, but fixed windows without the opening mechanisms to save weight. Just a sliding slot on the driver side for parking meters) . Keep most of the race car's switch gear. Put in a 7" or something screen for the mandatory back up camera. Choice of seat, 918 bucket or Recaro bucket, just a single seat for the driver. leave interior completed bare metal. Take out the plastic dash cover. Standard PCCB. Only 1 colour offered, primer, without actual paint. Plastic wrap optional. I guess street tuned suspension too, as the race tuned one will be too stiff.
Limit it to 500 cars. Don't think anyone that say they 'want' a 'lightweight' spec is willing to go to this extreme.
Now that's a proper lightweight driver's car.
Heck I wouldn't mind dropping even 500k for one.
Hey Porsche, you reading this?
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08-14-2023, 12:55 AM
#2263
Here is my take for a proper S/T that I don't mind spending 400k for one.
Start with the 992 Cup car. Delete the wing. Swapped in the RS engine. Swapped out the race transmission for the excellent PDK, but keep the carbon shift peddles. Delete the passenger door and just sheet metal or a carbon panel over it. No gas struts for the hood, just a carbon prop rod a la Weissach 918s. Lexan windows all around (Maybe not that extreme because of law, but fixed windows without the opening mechanisms to save weight. Just a sliding slot on the driver side for parking meters) . Keep most of the race car's switch gear. Put in a 7" or something screen for the mandatory back up camera. Choice of seat, 918 bucket or Recaro bucket, just a single seat for the driver. leave interior completed bare metal. Take out the plastic dash cover. Standard PCCB. Only 1 colour offered, primer, without actual paint. Plastic wrap optional. I guess street tuned suspension too, as the race tuned one will be too stiff.
Limit it to 500 cars. Don't think anyone that say they 'want' a 'lightweight' spec is willing to go to this extreme.
Now that's a proper lightweight driver's car.
Heck I wouldn't mind dropping even 500k for one.
Hey Porsche, you reading this?
Start with the 992 Cup car. Delete the wing. Swapped in the RS engine. Swapped out the race transmission for the excellent PDK, but keep the carbon shift peddles. Delete the passenger door and just sheet metal or a carbon panel over it. No gas struts for the hood, just a carbon prop rod a la Weissach 918s. Lexan windows all around (Maybe not that extreme because of law, but fixed windows without the opening mechanisms to save weight. Just a sliding slot on the driver side for parking meters) . Keep most of the race car's switch gear. Put in a 7" or something screen for the mandatory back up camera. Choice of seat, 918 bucket or Recaro bucket, just a single seat for the driver. leave interior completed bare metal. Take out the plastic dash cover. Standard PCCB. Only 1 colour offered, primer, without actual paint. Plastic wrap optional. I guess street tuned suspension too, as the race tuned one will be too stiff.
Limit it to 500 cars. Don't think anyone that say they 'want' a 'lightweight' spec is willing to go to this extreme.
Now that's a proper lightweight driver's car.
Heck I wouldn't mind dropping even 500k for one.
Hey Porsche, you reading this?
08-14-2023, 01:22 AM
#2264
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They did the same for the GTS in June 2021 when it debuted. All the promo vids by Porsche was a mic’d up exhaust with the levels turned up. The sound on the outside is the exact same as a S, with PSE of course.
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08-14-2023, 03:26 AM
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whoa...
long thread,
too much analysis
buy
drive
sell
buy another
use brain for work
don't waste it on cars.
long thread,
too much analysis
buy
drive
sell
buy another
use brain for work
don't waste it on cars.
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