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Old 07-28-2023, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
Amen. The R was parts bin and we saw how that turned out.
Agree to a point, must not forget this ST has serious amounts of bespoke panels which i would not class as 'parts bin' which the R did not if am correct. I get why everyone is comparing the ST to the R but i think we shall all be shocked at how serious Porsche have taken lengths to make this special, even more so than the R.. Lets face it they did not help themselves by then releasing a 991 touring which, as we all know, negated the R in a lot of ways..

I just really hope they do not spoil the model with this silly sticker 'phase' they are going through, it needs to be classy, i do wonder if it may have fuchs wheels
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Originally Posted by cosmos
The ST has a wider rear track then the standard touring, so much so in fact that little plastic fender “mud flaps” were needed.
I suspect that's due to slightly wider rear wheels. European laws require that no part of the wheel/tire can protrude past the body. The plastic extenders likely won't be installed on ROW ST's.
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Originally Posted by MeisterH
Agree to a point, must not forget this ST has serious amounts of bespoke panels which i would not class as 'parts bin' which the R did not if am correct. I get why everyone is comparing the ST to the R but i think we shall all be shocked at how serious Porsche have taken lengths to make this special, even more so than the R.. Lets face it they did not help themselves by then releasing a 991 touring which, as we all know, negated the R in a lot of ways..

I just really hope they do not spoil the model with this silly sticker 'phase' they are going through, it needs to be classy, i do wonder if it may have fuchs wheels
Which panels are bespoke to the ST?
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Old 07-28-2023, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmos
The ST has a wider rear track then the standard touring, so much so in fact that little plastic fender “mud flaps” were needed.
i “lost” that part on the mules…now I search

ok find…thanks for the hint.
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Old 07-28-2023, 04:03 PM
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Re. RWS I have had it with and without on C2S and it does make the feel more alive and responsive on turn in but also adds a layer of subjective superpower artifice; the one without feels like it's so much more pure and direct in its mid-turn response to throttle input/attitude change with the cost being more initial understeer... kinda more like an old school 911
Will be interesting to see how much of that understeer feel will be mitigated by the double wishbone front end
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Old 07-28-2023, 04:15 PM
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I'll be there too!

Would love to meet up with fellow Rennlisters and have a beer or two with them. I'll be at my vacation home in Tehama. Maybe we can arrange a party. 🙂
I'm there too
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Old 07-28-2023, 05:15 PM
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Manual RS, frunk,double bubble roof,wide body, no wing. Limited numbers, unique paint, What’s not to like?

SMFW, RS type adjustability in cockpit would be a super bonus
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Old 07-28-2023, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by cosmos
The ST has a wider rear track then the standard touring, so much so in fact that little plastic fender “mud flaps” were needed.
I missed that too, just checked again and there it is……




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Originally Posted by PTS
Will be interesting to see how much of that understeer feel will be mitigated by the double wishbone front end
which actually make me think 991
was not so bad

991 understeer vs 992 too much... precision, had both and yet not so sure what is worst
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Old 07-28-2023, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by PTS
Will be interesting to see how much of that understeer feel will be mitigated by the double wishbone front end
The double wishbone is great. No downside (I expected it would shrink or remove frunk space, but it doesn’t).
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Old 07-28-2023, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by fxz
which actually make me think 991
was not so bad

991 understeer vs 992 too much... precision, had both and yet not so sure what is worst
You guys do realize that the 992 GT3 steering feel differences come from the much faster steering ratio right? I'm sure the double wishbone is an improvement too, but that's not what makes the front end feel faster.
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Originally Posted by momo360
You guys do realize that the 992 GT3 steering feel differences come from the much faster steering ratio right? I'm sure the double wishbone is an improvement too, but that's not what makes the front end feel faster.
Totally agree with that (seems like they did that to make everyone notice the expensive engineering change underneath). However, the double wishbone is a revelation when you push really hard in the corners (recommended for the track).

And I do enjoy the quick ratio and more linear and less artificial feeling compared to the old variable ratio rack…
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Old 07-28-2023, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by momo360
You guys do realize that the 992 GT3 steering feel differences come from the much faster steering ratio right? I'm sure the double wishbone is an improvement too, but that's not what makes the front end feel faster.


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Originally Posted by fxz
which actually make me think 991
was not so bad

991 understeer vs 992 too much... precision, had both and yet not so sure what is worst
Originally Posted by momo360
You guys do realize that the 992 GT3 steering feel differences come from the much faster steering ratio right? I'm sure the double wishbone is an improvement too, but that's not what makes the front end feel faster.
whatever is the reason, we cant change steering ratio right?

the newer on track and high speed highways, is unbeatable,

the older though is less frenzy when commuting , tight b roads
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Old 07-29-2023, 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fxz
whatever is the reason, we cant change steering ratio right?
Not true, can do direct rack. Porsche has one that coincidentally fits.
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