raymort

Great. Last time I did a private day, I think there were only 12 cars. It was open session with open passing. Most of the cars were race cars.

Manifold

If I was starting from scratch and looking for a new 911 as a fun road car, I'd probably go with the T. Since I already have several road cars, including a manual 997.1 C2S, the decision is less straightforward.

Whoopsy

Haha it's your lucky day! Your chances of getting one just improved by 1.

I have informed Porsche I am not taking mine. Not buying a car that I have no use for. The appreciation potential has no influence whatsoever. If I want to buy something that will appreciate, I'd rather buy up paintings, they don't need maintenance or servicing.

Can't even think of one single scenario where I will take a S/T out instead of my other Porsches. I want driving enjoyment I take out the GT4RS. I want to roll my own gears I take out the turbo 3.6, or even the 968.

Grunspan

The ‘parts bin’ moniker is so played out. Of course every special car is a parts bin car. They arrive towards end of model cycle using ‘best of’ parts with a few innovations included, i.e., the SC and ST. Im good with it.

soulsea

Not only that but here’s never been a Porsche accused more of being a parts bin car than the R when it came out, and look how that turned out. Sometimes people make extraordinary meals with ingredients they have at home, and plenty of terrible meals after hitting Publix.

None knows how cars will be remembered, if the idea of thing doesn’t move you skip it, if it moves you and can afford it buy it. How someone in the future will look back on it and where the parts were stored should be insignificant.

hf1

Most of the 'specialness' of rare cars comes from kool-aid marketing and 'sunk cost' bias of the owners seeking to protect their investment. The total miles driven by 911R owners is probably less than the average driven by a single Boxster owner.

WernerE

Interesting comments. I'm curious if your decision to pass on the ST is based on what's been published so far about the ST or additional information communicated to you as a VIP owner.

usctrojanGT3

I've tracked with full on race cars at private open track days, I may be a puzzy passer but I do have good track awareness and get out of the way of faster cars.

usctrojanGT3

I wonder if there are other 918 VIPs that feel the same way that you do about the ST. No doubt it's a cool car but is it 2x the car that the Touring is in terms of a price tag?

ipse dixit

This will probably get a lot of blow back here, but I really don't think there is any Porsche currently in production worth 200k.

At least 200k of my money, anyway.

Manifold

So, in your opinion, what are they worth and how do you gauge that?

usctrojanGT3

I think the GT3 and Touring are probably worth around $200k and I think the GT4RS is probably worth in the high $100s but the only reason why my GT4RS MSRP went above $200k was because I got PTS on it and I wanted the mag wheels.

Chris C.

I respect that the ST will raise the performance envelope. Not enough to justify $100-$150+K more in my checkbook , I don't need bragging rights just a fast NA 911 manual. I'm glad they're making it for any number of reasons and get yours and enjoy the heck out of it! Just don't assume I don't understand the sum of the parts thing. It's a diminishing returns thing on a street car where I can't even fully exploit my Touring. And it feels nimble, alive and special at any speed - just like AP said on the GT3 launch, too. Lol

JackOlsen

Preuninger is effusive.

mass27

The release of the S/T seems to have induced more emotional animosity than any other release of recent memory. Objectively, I find it no LESS unique (in terms of quantifiable changes) than any other special edition car.

Most of the arguments I hear against the specialness of the S/T (or any other car) seem to be 2 faceted. And, mostly made by people who will not get a special edition car. Or by people who claim they could have 20 S/Ts if they really wanted to as all it requires is $, which is a really odd flex to a bunch of anonymous, random people.

1. Parts Bin Special: It ONLY has a SMFW of which was introduced 22 years ago in the 3RS 4.0.
2. Minimizing the changes: It "essentially" has all the same stuff as a 911T which is 1/3rd the price. It "essentially" has the same stuff as a touring which is 100K cheaper.

Is the S/T OBECTIVELY better than a touring? Definitively, yes. Is it $100K better than a touring? Impossible to calculate. But, I can say with confidence that most people who have a S/T will state its $300K better than a touring. And, most people who don't have a S/T will says it's $10K better than a touring. Notice the trend?

Is the SC OBECTIVELY better than a GTS. Definitively, yes. Is it $100K better than a GTS? Impossible to calculate.

What most people fail to realize is we are firmly at the point of massively diminishing returns in regards to advancement. Making a 2% improvement may cost Porsche 20% and us 60%.

Finally, and most importantly, it's comical and egotistical that we should have any say or opinion in what Porsche builds, how many they build, and what they charge. It reminds me of a line in a Few Good Men.

"I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to!"

TLDR: Feel free to start your own auto company and put a 4.4L NA motor that revs to 12K, 620HP, weighs 2,500lbs, has 20K quantity produced, and sells for $100K.