Drifting

But if all those things make the 992 GT3 so much more desirable to you, then what is the point of Porsche also making an RS?

As you are a previous GT3 owner who now has a Ferrari, you can certainly afford either a GT3 or an RS, so why not just get a 992 RS?

What is now the purpose of a GT3?

GrantG

Should be better than 991RS (it still used struts).

But biggest benefit of new front suspension should be lack of mid-corner understeer and front tire wear as the negative camber will increase as it gets loaded in a way that struts cannot do...

MaxLTV

They all have a good reason to exist:

GT3 - the sportiest road-focused Porsche (plush suspension) that's also at home on track, as a sports car should be, a performance car bargain (much better value than RS or Turbo for those who value driving experience over bragging rights or numbers).
GT3 RS - track-focused Porsche that's also street-legal, premium price for the bragging rights and/or the feeling of owning the pinnacle of sportiness
GT2 RS - halo numbers car, bragging rights for Porsche even more than for its owners (got to keep those AMGs and Macs in check!)
Touring - a GT3 for a quickly growing segment of people with various internal conflicts

CobaltCr

you've made a judgement about a car you haven't driven yet based on paper specs and a partial reveal. why not wait to drive one and see if it's something you will like or not? cosmetics notwithstanding the driving experience may actually be what you want in a car of this class.

ElGrandetango

So you want a GT3 Cup Car? Or Clubsport basically then.
There's a market for both, some want to drive an RS on the road as well.

On a side note I like the back of the 992 GT3 Wing is growing on me, the front not so much with the nostrils, but who knows. The blue looked amazing!

smiles11

I’ve seen a few guys on here that spend a majority of their time searching for affirmation on their 991’s by bringing down the 992. For someone who has no “interest” in one, why spend so much time seeking justification on keeping your 991.2? Who are you trying to convince for real... 😂

If you’re happy with your cars, go enjoy them.

once4all

Maybe 992 RS is GT3. A bi-plane wing, new front suspension, a tweak of 4.0 engine adding 20 hps, less carpet to maintain the same weight, a few cosmetics, that's all folks. The company will not invest in more in a end life cycle product. 6000 more copies WW to flood the market.

ChrisGT3

Agreed. There’s always the GT3 touring if the winged GT3 model is too “hardcore” for your taste. Pretty sure that’s what the Touring was made for.

911rox

+1
I'm currently down for the 992 RS and all of the points raised have me wondering if I need to spend an extra $100k+ on the RS (in AUS)... I'm pretty sure this car will be lapping the NBR at a time similar to the current 991.2 RS... I have a 997.2 GT3 currently that is predominantly tracked and I'm looking for an addition to try out the modern digital machines.

As for selling a 991.2 to update to a 992 I see no value in this. The 991.2 GT3 is so well sorted that all these improvements would hardly be noticeable on the street and you would have to be very competent on track to appreciate the differences. Many people have made the comment about concerns with their 991.2 looking dated compared to the 992, I don't see that at all...

TRAKCAR

It’s the new GT brand expansion, no?
Cayman GTS should have been called the touring?
Cayman GT4
Cayman GT4RS
Weissach Street legal Clubsport

Touring is the soft option for those that don’t like money or comfortable suspension.
GT3 is for the track and not much more uncomfortable then the touring while getting there.
RS hardcore, fastest thing on the track and still allows you to drive to the track and shops.
Weissach, Street legal Clubsport just legal enough but unbearable to drive to the track.

All in small, (Play hard to get, one per season) numbers, extremely hard to get PTS colors for a total GT car production of a gazillion cars...

Is it me or dit the Cayman het fat and the GT3 got lighter?

As soon as we receive our freedom shots and passes, I’ll get the first thing they will hand me on the next Euro Delivery.

spiller

This thread is ridiculous. For as long as there has been a GT3 RS, the next Gen GT3 has always been better than the previous Gen RS. True for 996, 997, and now seemingly 991 RS. That rear wing is not what I’d call overly aggressive, in height and width is not really any different to the 991.2 GT3, it’s just the goosenecks playing tricks on you. Wait and see how big the RS wing will be in 18 months or so.

ParadiseGT3

Starting interpretation of the base GT3 and its purpose probably informs how you’ll feel about the 992.

For me, base .2 looks like a (relatively understated) bad *** track car that happens to be street legal. .2 RS looks even more like a bad *** track car that happens to be street legal. Base 992 GT3 falls somewhere in between, but yes, trending more RS. We’re talking different shades of the same color.

Interpretation is the same from behind the wheel. I think the .2 GT3 is wasted just about everywhere but track. (I’m sure mountain roads are a good time, but don’t have those.) By the time I drive 100+ miles to the track, I want out. In a .2 RS that desire might arrive 5-10 miles earlier. Same seats, both interiors are loud (RS slightly louder), stereo sucks, rear visibility is part luck (RS slightly more luck), neither car understands why you’re not revving north of 7,000, etc.

I’ve owned lots of street cars – base .2 GT3 doesn’t do street as well as any of them, does track better than all of them.

Porsche GT was funneled into a more extreme 992 design because:

- Progress mandate. Car must be faster on track than its predecessor.
- Emissions restrictions. Can’t extract much more out of the 4.0.

That leaves aero and motorsport trickery. I agree with your comment -- it no longer looks like a 911 based sports car that is also ready for the track, but now visually resembles an extreme track car that is also street legal.

But since looks are secondary to how it performs, this is ok by me. 992 will better fulfill its purpose as a bad *** track car that happens to be street legal.

Focusing on design in isolation, I do find the .2 GT3 immediately more beautiful than the 992 based upon what we’ve seen. Now dated, yes, but the 992 design has set a path toward increasingly extreme design and aero for progress. I don’t agree with the perception that the 992 design is mild, not at all. Easily the most extreme design change from one GT3 gen to the next.

Over the long-term, believe 991.2 GT3 fits in with the group of "classic" GT3 designs. Dated and beautiful. 992 GT3 is a departure from that design progression. If you love the looks of the 991.2, I don't think you'll find that design language restored in generations to come.

For those who prefer a more classic 911 design and especially considering the engine parity 991.2 to 992, I certainly can understand seeing the .2 as a keeper.

GTJake

My only beef with the GT models in general as time has progressed is point #6. The 997 RS cars are more like the 991.1 GT3. There really isn't much of any unpainted surfaces on the car. The 991.1 RS started to incorporate the unpainted plastics with the rear deck lid cover and continued onto the 991.2 GT3 and so on. The GT2 was just more of this. Maybe it's pure aesthetic personal preference but I like the look of the painted surfaces more than that much unpainted plastics. Would that stop me from buying a GT2RS if I had the money, well no. I love the look of the 992.1 GT3 but I am disappointed this trend of unpainted large plastic bits is growing. The one positive on the front is less paint to chip off.

Also hoping for a 4.2 liter engine eventually. I'd like to move into a GT3RS at some point but I'm torn on going for a 991.2GT3RS sooner rather than later or continue waiting to see if the .1 RS or .2 cars get a 4.2. I still thoroughly enjoy my .1 GT3 more than any car I've ever owned at this point.

KelvinC

AP pointed out that the 718 GT4 is about 30kg heavier when actually comparing like-for-like options w/ 981. Hardly a substantial weight gain, and easily made up for by the 30hp gain.

All of this is typical Porsche GT dept. Cars get faster, more efficient, and objectively better. Some will love, some will hate, some will wait a full generational update (e.g., .2 to .2) before changing. Folks will vote with their wallet. Many on RL will comment about keeping their cars as the new ones are not worth the switch, etc.

chance6

I come from having a 991.2 GT3 with a not so desirable spec (for me), so the blue and 520 PS would probably do the trick for me. Downforce up by 50% ? That’s a winner