992 GT3 is RS
11-26-2020, 11:56 AM
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992 GT3 is RS
Like many of you, I was very excited to see the sneak reveal of the 992 GT3 this week, and I enjoyed the Catchpole/Harris videos with AP. As a very pleased 991.2 GT3 owner, I'm not than enthused about the 992.1 GT3, for one major reason. It's now an RS.
The Porsche RS models have always been amazing cars, and I respect them, and have enjoyed taking rides in them with my friends who own them as they are the absolute business on a track and fantastic to drive. However, for 20 years Porsche has always had both GT3 and RS models, because some of their customers wanted a car that was ready for the track but still streetable, while some of their other customers preferred a car that was barely streetable, and extremely track focused, the RS. Nothing wrong with that. However, that distinction is now rather blurred with the 992 GT3, because the 992.1 GT3 was designed with several features that used to be RS only.
1- more extreme wing design that only looks in place on the track, not driving on the street
2- A larger car with lots of fancy weight loss features to try to obscure the fact that is a bigger car, but it is still unfortunately larger without major weight loss improvements. The 997 RSs used to weigh noticeably less than the 997 GT3s, but with the 991 generation and now the 992 generation, the best we can hope for is a larger car with a very similar weight as its predecessor, (because the 992 GT3 it is a larger car like a 991 GT3 to the 991RS, and the 991 RSs weigh basically the same as the 991 GT3s)
3- Performance improvements that are mainly suspension and downforce, without noticeable power increases. The 992 GT3 will have a great ring time, but outside of the track, I doubt that mere mortals will appreciate most of the driving differences while on regular roads. Again very similar to the differences between a 991.2 GT3 and a 991.2 RS.
4- Weight loss features that sound fancy but only drop just a few pounds and make the car really loud and likely unsuitable for a weekend trip. (lightweight glass, even more interior sound insulation removed).
5- Cosmetic design that is so focused on downforce that it looks like an entirely different car from a Carrera, so it no longer looks like a 911 based sports car that is also ready for the track, but now visually resembles an extreme track car that is also street legal.
6- lots of exposed unpainted plastic/metal, I.e. the entire bottom half of the front and entire bottom half of the rear 992.1 GT3, and the exposed metal swan wing supports. Both would be fitting on an RSR or an RS, not on a GT3.
There is nothing wrong with 1-6, and they cause the RS to look and drive like a bad *** track car that happens to be street legal.
But that's not what a GT3 is supposed to be, and I have no interest in a 992 GT3 as a result. I will keep and drive my 991.2 GT3 for another 8 years and I'll wait to see what happens with the 994 GT3.
The Porsche RS models have always been amazing cars, and I respect them, and have enjoyed taking rides in them with my friends who own them as they are the absolute business on a track and fantastic to drive. However, for 20 years Porsche has always had both GT3 and RS models, because some of their customers wanted a car that was ready for the track but still streetable, while some of their other customers preferred a car that was barely streetable, and extremely track focused, the RS. Nothing wrong with that. However, that distinction is now rather blurred with the 992 GT3, because the 992.1 GT3 was designed with several features that used to be RS only.
1- more extreme wing design that only looks in place on the track, not driving on the street
2- A larger car with lots of fancy weight loss features to try to obscure the fact that is a bigger car, but it is still unfortunately larger without major weight loss improvements. The 997 RSs used to weigh noticeably less than the 997 GT3s, but with the 991 generation and now the 992 generation, the best we can hope for is a larger car with a very similar weight as its predecessor, (because the 992 GT3 it is a larger car like a 991 GT3 to the 991RS, and the 991 RSs weigh basically the same as the 991 GT3s)
3- Performance improvements that are mainly suspension and downforce, without noticeable power increases. The 992 GT3 will have a great ring time, but outside of the track, I doubt that mere mortals will appreciate most of the driving differences while on regular roads. Again very similar to the differences between a 991.2 GT3 and a 991.2 RS.
4- Weight loss features that sound fancy but only drop just a few pounds and make the car really loud and likely unsuitable for a weekend trip. (lightweight glass, even more interior sound insulation removed).
5- Cosmetic design that is so focused on downforce that it looks like an entirely different car from a Carrera, so it no longer looks like a 911 based sports car that is also ready for the track, but now visually resembles an extreme track car that is also street legal.
6- lots of exposed unpainted plastic/metal, I.e. the entire bottom half of the front and entire bottom half of the rear 992.1 GT3, and the exposed metal swan wing supports. Both would be fitting on an RSR or an RS, not on a GT3.
There is nothing wrong with 1-6, and they cause the RS to look and drive like a bad *** track car that happens to be street legal.
But that's not what a GT3 is supposed to be, and I have no interest in a 992 GT3 as a result. I will keep and drive my 991.2 GT3 for another 8 years and I'll wait to see what happens with the 994 GT3.
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11-26-2020, 03:06 PM
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The very reasons that you mention why you wouldn't want the new one, are the very reasons why I find the new 992 GT3 more desirable.
11-26-2020, 12:17 PM
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Where’s groundhog when you need him? Dudes gonna melt with that title. Haha
I think every gen 1 of something is a make up of the previous gens top of the line. Even AP says it in the video. Just the nature of things. For me the RS is just too loud for street use. I still think this GT3 has its subtleties. I do like the swan neck and I’m hoping it can be easily removed. That would make for a aesthetically versatile street/track car. It is bigger, but unfortunately that’s where everything is going. The suspension, aero and upgrades won’t be felt on the street, but it’s more of a appreciation of what they can achieve on a generational update. I mean an RS is an RS!!! The king! And now a measly base model GT3 is quicker. Would I trade in my 991.2 for a 992.1? No. But a 4.2L 992.2 GT3 does have my interest. it’s years away so if I play my cards right there’s a chance to own both.
I think every gen 1 of something is a make up of the previous gens top of the line. Even AP says it in the video. Just the nature of things. For me the RS is just too loud for street use. I still think this GT3 has its subtleties. I do like the swan neck and I’m hoping it can be easily removed. That would make for a aesthetically versatile street/track car. It is bigger, but unfortunately that’s where everything is going. The suspension, aero and upgrades won’t be felt on the street, but it’s more of a appreciation of what they can achieve on a generational update. I mean an RS is an RS!!! The king! And now a measly base model GT3 is quicker. Would I trade in my 991.2 for a 992.1? No. But a 4.2L 992.2 GT3 does have my interest. it’s years away so if I play my cards right there’s a chance to own both.
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11-26-2020, 12:19 PM
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^ I do not disagree with what you have conveyed above but it will all depend on how hared-core the 992 RS will be.
Maybe Porsche will listen to what all the RS enthusiasts want- a seriously hardcore Track car that you can barely drive on the street to get to the track. I think if they achieve this it will make the 992 GT3 appear soft.
But- I would still not trade a .2 for the 992 for most of the reasons you stated above.
Maybe Porsche will listen to what all the RS enthusiasts want- a seriously hardcore Track car that you can barely drive on the street to get to the track. I think if they achieve this it will make the 992 GT3 appear soft.
But- I would still not trade a .2 for the 992 for most of the reasons you stated above.
11-26-2020, 12:30 PM
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A new Gen GT3 will always include some features from previous gen RS.
I think the wing on the 992 GT3 is a step above the 991.2 and would actually be a primary reason I’d buy one... along with a 20 hp bump.
Take my money!
I think the wing on the 992 GT3 is a step above the 991.2 and would actually be a primary reason I’d buy one... along with a 20 hp bump.
Take my money!
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11-26-2020, 12:42 PM
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Each gen stands on its own and is special for what it brought to the table at the time.
Each gen will be over shadowed by the next gen. It’s called progress.
As time passes the older gens gain back some of their luster for those that want to go back in time.
Each gen will be over shadowed by the next gen. It’s called progress.
As time passes the older gens gain back some of their luster for those that want to go back in time.
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11-26-2020, 01:16 PM
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Where’s groundhog when you need him? Dudes gonna melt with that title. Haha
I think every gen 1 of something is a make up of the previous gens top of the line. Even AP says it in the video. Just the nature of things. For me the RS is just too loud for street use. I still think this GT3 has its subtleties. I do like the swan neck and I’m hoping it can be easily removed. That would make for a aesthetically versatile street/track car. It is bigger, but unfortunately that’s where everything is going. The suspension, aero and upgrades won’t be felt on the street, but it’s more of a appreciation of what they can achieve on a generational update. I mean an RS is an RS!!! The king! And now a measly base model GT3 is quicker. Would I trade in my 991.2 for a 992.1? No. But a 4.2L 992.2 GT3 does have my interest. it’s years away so if I play my cards right there’s a chance to own both.
I think every gen 1 of something is a make up of the previous gens top of the line. Even AP says it in the video. Just the nature of things. For me the RS is just too loud for street use. I still think this GT3 has its subtleties. I do like the swan neck and I’m hoping it can be easily removed. That would make for a aesthetically versatile street/track car. It is bigger, but unfortunately that’s where everything is going. The suspension, aero and upgrades won’t be felt on the street, but it’s more of a appreciation of what they can achieve on a generational update. I mean an RS is an RS!!! The king! And now a measly base model GT3 is quicker. Would I trade in my 991.2 for a 992.1? No. But a 4.2L 992.2 GT3 does have my interest. it’s years away so if I play my cards right there’s a chance to own both.
youre right. Groundhog will freak at the title. That guy tries to cover up his insecurities by ragging on the GT3, while he drives the GT3 of the Mclaren world.
Agree that Porsche likes to hand down a few RS components to the next gen GT3.
Also agree that hardly any of the 992.1 GT3 suspension and downforce improvements will be noticeable on the street.
Will be interesting to see if the swan neck is removable like an RS, so a winged 992.1 GT3 could serve double duty as a Touring (with ducktail) for street driving, but you can add the swanneck back on for track days.
Also agree that a 4.2L GT3 would motivate me much more to upgrade than a 992.1 GT3 with the tiny power increase.
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11-26-2020, 01:44 PM
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Like many of you, I was very excited to see the sneak reveal of the 992 GT3 this week, and I enjoyed the Catchpole/Harris videos with AP. As a very pleased 991.2 GT3 owner, I'm not than enthused about the 992.1 GT3, for one major reason. It's now an RS.
The Porsche RS models have always been amazing cars, and I respect them, and have enjoyed taking rides in them with my friends who own them as they are the absolute business on a track and fantastic to drive. However, for 20 years Porsche has always had both GT3 and RS models, because some of their customers wanted a car that was ready for the track but still streetable, while some of their other customers preferred a car that was barely streetable, and extremely track focused, the RS. Nothing wrong with that. However, that distinction is now rather blurred with the 992 GT3, because the 992.1 GT3 was designed with several features that used to be RS only.
1- more extreme wing design that only looks in place on the track, not driving on the street
2- A larger car with lots of fancy weight loss features to try to obscure the fact that is a bigger car, but it is still unfortunately larger without major weight loss improvements. The 997 RSs used to weigh noticeably less than the 997 GT3s, but with the 991 generation and now the 992 generation, the best we can hope for is a larger car with a very similar weight as its predecessor, (because the 992 GT3 it is a larger car like a 991 GT3 to the 991RS, and the 991 RSs weigh basically the same as the 991 GT3s)
3- Performance improvements that are mainly suspension and downforce, without noticeable power increases. The 992 GT3 will have a great ring time, but outside of the track, I doubt that mere mortals will appreciate most of the driving differences while on regular roads. Again very similar to the differences between a 991.2 GT3 and a 991.2 RS.
4- Weight loss features that sound fancy but only drop just a few pounds and make the car really loud and likely unsuitable for a weekend trip. (lightweight glass, even more interior sound insulation removed).
5- Cosmetic design that is so focused on downforce that it looks like an entirely different car from a Carrera, so it no longer looks like a 911 based sports car that is also ready for the track, but now visually resembles an extreme track car that is also street legal.
6- lots of exposed unpainted plastic/metal, I.e. the entire bottom half of the front and entire bottom half of the rear 992.1 GT3, and the exposed metal swan wing supports. Both would be fitting on an RSR or an RS, not on a GT3.
There is nothing wrong with 1-6, and they cause the RS to look and drive like a bad *** track car that happens to be street legal.
But that's not what a GT3 is supposed to be, and I have no interest in a 992 GT3 as a result. I will keep and drive my 991.2 GT3 for another 8 years and I'll wait to see what happens with the 994 GT3.
The Porsche RS models have always been amazing cars, and I respect them, and have enjoyed taking rides in them with my friends who own them as they are the absolute business on a track and fantastic to drive. However, for 20 years Porsche has always had both GT3 and RS models, because some of their customers wanted a car that was ready for the track but still streetable, while some of their other customers preferred a car that was barely streetable, and extremely track focused, the RS. Nothing wrong with that. However, that distinction is now rather blurred with the 992 GT3, because the 992.1 GT3 was designed with several features that used to be RS only.
1- more extreme wing design that only looks in place on the track, not driving on the street
2- A larger car with lots of fancy weight loss features to try to obscure the fact that is a bigger car, but it is still unfortunately larger without major weight loss improvements. The 997 RSs used to weigh noticeably less than the 997 GT3s, but with the 991 generation and now the 992 generation, the best we can hope for is a larger car with a very similar weight as its predecessor, (because the 992 GT3 it is a larger car like a 991 GT3 to the 991RS, and the 991 RSs weigh basically the same as the 991 GT3s)
3- Performance improvements that are mainly suspension and downforce, without noticeable power increases. The 992 GT3 will have a great ring time, but outside of the track, I doubt that mere mortals will appreciate most of the driving differences while on regular roads. Again very similar to the differences between a 991.2 GT3 and a 991.2 RS.
4- Weight loss features that sound fancy but only drop just a few pounds and make the car really loud and likely unsuitable for a weekend trip. (lightweight glass, even more interior sound insulation removed).
5- Cosmetic design that is so focused on downforce that it looks like an entirely different car from a Carrera, so it no longer looks like a 911 based sports car that is also ready for the track, but now visually resembles an extreme track car that is also street legal.
6- lots of exposed unpainted plastic/metal, I.e. the entire bottom half of the front and entire bottom half of the rear 992.1 GT3, and the exposed metal swan wing supports. Both would be fitting on an RSR or an RS, not on a GT3.
There is nothing wrong with 1-6, and they cause the RS to look and drive like a bad *** track car that happens to be street legal.
But that's not what a GT3 is supposed to be, and I have no interest in a 992 GT3 as a result. I will keep and drive my 991.2 GT3 for another 8 years and I'll wait to see what happens with the 994 GT3.
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11-26-2020, 01:51 PM
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Guys that are all about the driving experience, (not just bragging at cars and coffee about having an RS (“because it’s an RS”)), will appreciate, love, and drive the wheels off a manual 992.1 GT3, because it’s now a manual RS.
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11-26-2020, 02:35 PM
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11-26-2020, 02:39 PM
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The 992 GT3 looks to be the perfect car for me as after seeing a few 992 RS prototypes running w/ the huge bi-level wing, I feel the GT3's wing looks perfect and about as big a wing as I want to drive around in. Any size large should be on a Cup or Club Sport track only car.
I don't mind them taking more sound deadening out of the GT3 as AP was probably comparing the 992 to 991 GT3's and the .2 GT3 had more sound deadening than the .2 RS. I don't mind the 992 GT3 being bigger than the .2 as it still would be as wide as the .2 RS (don't forget the .2 RS is wider than the .2 GT3). After owning 3 2 GT3's, I'm ready for the next chapter.
I don't mind them taking more sound deadening out of the GT3 as AP was probably comparing the 992 to 991 GT3's and the .2 GT3 had more sound deadening than the .2 RS. I don't mind the 992 GT3 being bigger than the .2 as it still would be as wide as the .2 RS (don't forget the .2 RS is wider than the .2 GT3). After owning 3 2 GT3's, I'm ready for the next chapter.
11-26-2020, 03:06 PM
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The very reasons that you mention why you wouldn't want the new one, are the very reasons why I find the new 992 GT3 more desirable.
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11-26-2020, 03:59 PM
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Porsche had to elevate the racing performance and components on the 992 GT3 because of all the other cheaper models like Carrera T, GTS, etc that are equipped with many of the previous GT3 options. ( which dilutes the speciality of the GT3 heritage, in my opinion.....
