AviBen

I laughed out loud!!! Thanks for this, just the first 30 seconds are all you need.

vjd3

djcxxx

We tend to seek validation on these forums and threads like this typically reflect that underlying theme. Superior/inferior are far too exteme descriptors for our discussions to be useful

mac10

+1

Porsche has been refining the 911 for half a century and continue to improve on an already near perfect sports car. I always say, to each is own but to suggest that all the engineers and designers at Porsche went backwards on the .2 is laughable. Although there is no denying that the 991.1 is a fantastic car, personal agendas aside the .2 is just hands down a better platform period.

RCD

I own a 2013 base and it is a great 911. I am sure the 991.2 is even better. There are those who have personal preferences that outweigh pure performance numbers, though, such as the 993 lovers. It really is subjective.

The fact that your response is the rudest and most obnoxious on this thread, however, is not.

4pipes

Well, here's a thought. After owning both, the 981 Cayman S is a better 911.

friar93

Fwiw, i have a 993 and a .1 c4S. Had them side by side this weekend

I think the 993 sounds better at idle (RSR mufflers)

I like that i can see the Engine in the 993

I like that the 993 isnt depreciating

so..... for idle sound, engine views and depreciation the 991 is inferior.

that said, i think the OP just didnt explain enough about what he felt was inferior.

bogdan_p

Would you be surprised if I told you that "sticky" behaves like this in every forum he frequents?

Dan Nagy

To be honest, I loved my 2.7L Cayman. Revving a smaller engine it's lots of fun.

GT3FZS

Agree!!
We are all Porsche and 991 (.1 or.2) enthusiasts , lets keep it positive, fun, and helpful. Your response is none of these!

dflowerz

I am still upset about when they went from piston engine planes to jet engines. Those jets sound terrible!

siitech

I took a short test drive the 991.2, I felt it is a faster, more refined car, I would not mind getting one before the warranty on my base 991.1 runs out. However, going back to drive mine, I immediately preferred the linear response of the NA engine.

It is almost like an acquired taste. The base 2013 991.1 is my first 911, two years ago when I looked into getting one I test drove a few, I was kind of disappointed with the base car's acceleration, it does not feel as responsive in city streets as my Audi S4, even it is the faster car on paper. I got one anyway as I always wanted a 911. Now that I drove it for 1-1/2 year, I love the base car's acceleration and sound in high rpm, and especially the linear throttle response, it makes the driving much smoother and safer. I remember I learned it from my first driving school that smooth driving--of which includes smoothly applying gas and brake paddle--makes the track driving safer and actually faster, I felt smooth power delivery is definitely a strength of the Porsche NA engine, and it definitely is a big plus for driving. I can see why so many Porsche purists would prefer it.

I am looking to upgrade to a 991.1S, but because of my particular preference it has been hard finding one with the right color and options. There is no hurry, but if I can not find the right S I may go with a 991.2, I suspect it is the better car overall although I would miss the character of the NA engine.

Valvefloat991

As a 991.2 owner, I wouldn't disagree with most of what you said. Being naturally aspirated, the 991.1 has no turbo lag. It delivers whatever torque it has immediately at any rpm. Of course, at low rpm, it doesn't have much torque, which is why it felt less responsive than your Audi S4 on city streets. The 991.2 has far more torque at low rpm, but you sometimes have to wait for it. The lower the rpm, the longer the wait. My previous car was a BMW 335i--also 3-liters and twin turbos, so I've adapted to a slight delay in exchange for plenty of low-rpm grunt.

However, at high rpm--over 4000--I would argue that the 991.2 has no lag and is as linear at the 991.1. At such engine speeds, there is sufficient exhaust flow that the turbos are always up to speed and the engine responds very directly to small throttle changes. In other words, I think it's just as smooth and easy to drive as a 991.1.

As to the engine sound, that's highly subjective and we can all make our own determinations. But there again, at high revs and large throttle openings, the 991.2 may not sound as pure as a 991.1, but it hardly sounds like a vacuum cleaner.

P.S. the advantages of smooth and linear throttle response are so important that I don't understand why the throttle response is made more sudden when "sport" mode is selected. That immediacy might fell sporty on a city street, but it is not helpful on a track. On a C7 Corvette, for example, when you select "track" mode, the throttle response is reduced to make it easier to balance the car with the throttle at the cornering limit.

vjd3

I've owned a 991.1 and have driven the 991.2 ... both are very fine cars. Slight preference for the 991.1 for me, even though the 991.2 is clearly quicker.

If you've driven any of the new turbocharged Ferraris -- California T, 488 -- what they did is interesting, they manage the torque through boost and fuel for a different torque map in each gear -- so what you wind up with is something that feels and pulls like a normally aspirated engine. Other than hearing the turbos it's hard to tell. Of course having 660 hp and 560 lb ft of torque to work with in the 488 helps.

Not to say I didn't enjoy the ponderous off-the-line pace of my former 87 930, because when the turbo spooled up around 4000 rpm, it would about knock your head off your shoulders when you slammed forward abruptly. But that is a thrill from the past.

Harsany

I love my 991.1S. I really do. It's a great car for me. I drove the 991.2S. I loved it as well. If and when I make a change the 991.2S will be amazing for me. Both cars are awesome. The GTS versions of each car are even more awesome.

If you need to offer your opinion on how much you hate the new car or how much better you think your current model is, then put on the Flame Suit.

The two versions of the 991 series are so good that arguing about which is better is just a waste of time IMHO.

P.S. The vacumn video is damn funny though.