R_Rated

it's hard to imagine how fast and good the next one will be! Each new iteration is hailed as perfection (sans 996) and the new one comes out which fixes problems that we never knew to complain about. Before 991.2 specs were released there wasn't a single thread complaining about power or wanting to put a turbo on a 991.1.... if demand was there, aftermarket would have answered....

phow

I agree. I personally think that if 991.2 owners were given the option of NA or FI motors (with similar power) in their cars when purchasing, very few if any would have gone FI.

There are many reasons I prefer my 991.1 3.8 to the new 991.2 3.0 but it's just not an argument worth having since owners on both sides will always defend what they bought since they want to feel good about their purchase.

I'm hopeful the new 992 will change my mind about smaller turbo motors in these cars.

sticky

They're throwing the Hellcat in everything including Jeeps, what are you talking about? They'll move MANY more of those.

The 991.2 3.0 is not some super efficient motor. I'm actually surprised how poor the MPG is. I don't see the huge efficiency gain over a 3.4 or 3.8 liter NA flat-6 and you still need fuel to make power.

sticky

Porsche still produces the GT3. That has the best NA flat-6 ever built and the new 991.2 iteration is supposedly even better.

They haven't abandoned the NA motor yet and clearly are still easily meeting emissions targets with it despite getting larger and making more power.

911seeker

Bad news for everyone:
-.1 guys: we don't have the latest and greatest
-.2 guys: some people don't want to have your car over the .1

Now everyone can get on with their daily obbligations, what a relief...

R_Rated

perhaps but only 100 of the cars mentioned that I responded too. Even so, there will be more 911s than hellcat engine wielding cars by far.

sticky

Based on what? They sold 12k Hellcat Challengers alone in the US in 2016. Compare that to 8901 911's.

That isn't factoring in the Charger or the Jeep yet to come. It's multiples more supercharged V8's so you are wrong, by far.

The point ultimately being the change isn't solely for emissions and Porsche could still easily deliver a naturally aspirated powerplant that meets the standards. Saying they can't is a cop out.

Doesn't Chevy sell a NA 6.2 liter V8 that the EPA doesn't have a problem with?

R_Rated

the EPA doesn't regulate individual cars. They make it so a manufacturer has to average a certain standard.

The decision for 3.0 wasn't for engineering bliss. It was solely to comply with global tariffs for engines over 3.0.... think it's a coincidence that everyone now has a 3.0 performance engine of some kind? Think they all just decided that was the ideal size?

sticky

I realize that but if the GT3 with the larger engine and more power can be made a smaller flat-6 that is more fuel efficient in naturally aspirated form would not pose a problem.

Porsche is cutting costs (there is a gigantic fine being paid by the parent company) and positioning themselves for markets with displacement taxes although I doubt 3.4 vs. 3.0 is some huge tax difference.

I don't think it is a coincidence but Porsche is not a value proposition to begin with. The 3.4 and 3.8 sold last year, didn't they? Did the tax brackets radically change?

R_Rated

avoiding the tax adds up to BILLIONS. It is significant.

sticky

I mean I'd like to see the data. Not every country taxes by displacement and some of those that do have low 911 sales figures to begin with.

The 9A2 architecture will be with us for a while but it's ultimately about sharing the engine architecture, parts, and assembling everything in the same factory on the same line. Displacement taxes are just a bonus for some markets.

Btw, the 9A2 can easily hit 3.8 liters...

R_Rated

china does and that is enough. Many European countries do as well.

sticky

Please provide the tax breakdown.

phow

This argument is just getting sillier...

Please don't tell me that Porsche wanted to move to the 3.0 turbo motor in the Carrera's... It was a move based on a lot of moving pieces and came down to pro's vs con's. The pro's of moving to the new platform simply outweighed the con's of pissing off the customer base and losing some of the 911 soul.

I firmly believe that if Porsche could continue with the previous NA platform, they would. But times are changing and they need to evolve like the rest of the manufacturers.

A month ago I had a chance to drive the new 488. Nice car and definitely quicker than the previous 458 but you couldn't help but feel like this was a move Ferrari was forced into and not one they were excited to make on their own. I feel Porsche is going through the same thing with the move to the 3.0 platform.

petee1997

Why are so many making excuses why Porsche went wth the 3.0L TT? It's simple. The 3.0 TT is more fuel efficient and more powerful. So all you NA engine owners, get over it. You now have second best. The end!!!