Kg11

The Porsche dealers are really low-balling at the moment. I inquired about a few 997.2's from private sellers, and dealers were offering them 71-74% of retail. This is on an enthusiast car that likely needs nothing, all manuals to boot, of which demand is super hot right now. One guy got a trade-in of $48k from a Porsche dealer and instead sold it to a high-end lot for $55k. They listed it at $65k within a day, the car was perfect. Why the Porsche dealer felt they needed to make $17k to make it worth their time is beyond me....this isn't Monaco or Russia. If I run a business, I figure an easy 70% of something is much better than an easy 100% of nothing! That is just me though. I tried to buy a 991 CPO last year from a Porsche dealer last year: we had an agreement until I noticed that the car had some junk aftermarket wheels. I wanted an OEM set of wheels (Sport Design was the option on the build sheet) but I would have settled for any OEM wheel. No can do. They walked away from my offer of $63,500 with OEM wheels and wholesaled car. The car came up after wholesale with those crap wheels on it, listed for $59,990! What did they wholesale it for, $54k, $55k? Why not sell it to me for $63,500? Sure, wheels cost them maybe $2k (tires were fine); the CPO is another $1800, so $3800 total. They net around $59,700. Or the hassle of wholesaling the car for $5k less? Just to make a statement that says "we can't give you stock wheels, sorry".

Regarding the post above: the spread is typically more than $10k on used vs. new. It shouldn't be, but it is. It pays to shop around; our local P-car dealer owns most of the various new car lots in town. They low-ball everyone. I got an extra $4500 for a car bought outright on my BMW by putting it on a truck for $150 and shipping it to a BMW dealer 3 hours away. It was super clean and they were willing to offer me $37k as they were going to list it for $45,900 and had trouble finding a manual 235i used at the time. Local dealer was at $32,500, some song and dance about how auction prices were super low on these cars, and that nobody wants a manual, both lies. They showed me the list, but they were pulling cars with no options, no M-sport, and 40k miles. Mine had 9,000.

So, moral of the story, if trading in, shop around! If you have a desirable build, someone will want it, and pay good money for it. A car that needs nothing and that will sell in a couple of weeks shouldn't be worth less than 85% of the sale price. On my last P-car trade, I was able to get them to 91% trade-in value. They knew it was an easy $6k to pocket, the car didn't even need to be detailed. Don't fall for the "auction price" line, as any car coming off auction likely has around $5,000 into it to be sold at the dealer; auction fees, transport, services up to date, tires. If auction for a clean 991 is say, $55k, then their lowest trade-in should be $60k. But if they want your business, can see how clean the car is straight up, and they can sell it quickly, $65k is where they need to be to earn my business. Otherwise, it goes to the high-end consignment place and I get that $65k after it sells.

Kg11

The ones that are priced right ($4k above trade, sometimes higher for PTS) do sell quickly. Everyone else, not so much. That base 991 manual Guards Red on the Marketplace for $77,900? A dealer would have trouble getting that. The car I just posted is a well-optioned C2S for a couple grand more! From a dealer too.

STG

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Lowest priced CPO 991.1 C2S I could find for sale:

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The high priced 997.2's that overlap with 991.1's

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Sorry .... Other than cars I've listed over the past few weeks, nothing new to list that I'm excited about.

R_Rated

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2016-Porsche...JZOCNd&vxp=mtr

R_Rated

Different:

Viper Green in Fresno.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2017-Porsche...FZKJiQ&vxp=mtr

STG

Wrong thread here my friend ....

Hurricane

This thread is about 991.1's for sale, not 997's...

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STG

^ GOTCHA!!

Was using them as a point of reference for the 991.1 market. I know, I do that and the flood gates open

Hurricane

Even if I won the powerball tonight, no way that is worth that much to me. I'd rather have a Singer.

MY EYES! MY EYES!!!

Hurricane

I am only kidding - I actually appreciate the reference. I know folks that look at birth 997's and 991's for sale...

STG

In my opinion, a $80,000-$90,000 nicely optioned, CPO, low mileage 991.1 S/4S is still a fair deal.

visitador

^^^ the 997 forum is full of happy guys thinking how high the value of their .2 have gotten. That makes a $80 ish 991.S a bargain, I think

STG thanking again for encouraging me way back in February