STG

Anyone see anything interesting pop up?

Some of the nice ones I listed seem to still be for sale.

Anyone have any recent negotiation stories??

sessionstu

I thought this was interesting.

From the Porsche May 2017 sales report

http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=1030

"Porsche Approved Certified Pre-Owned (CPO) vehicle sales in the U.S. were 1,568. Year-to-date CPO sales stand at 7,490, an 8.8 percent increase over the same period last year."

If the dealers know there's a high demand for CPO then for sure it will be reflected in their asking price. I'm sure the demand for CPO 991.1 vehicles will increase as more leases are returned to dealers.

Just an FYI...

STG

Yeah, CPO sales have had huge increases % wise over new car sales for a couple years now at least.

Look at new 911 and 718 sales year over year. New sports car sales have been suffering since the 991.2 and 718's hit. The 718's have been a disappointment so far. All the more reasons why pre-owned sports car are more desirable. Get more for your $$$.

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Boulder Mike

Read this thread almost every day even though not in market for .1. It's an enjoyable diversion and also the hunt and wait for the right pre-owned car or an order is part of the experience. Also enjoyable for me when long-time HFS followers finally get there car (rooting for you PfBZ!)

Reading the thread lately I wonder if it's time to redefine what is a truly HFS i.e. Can be over 100k? Is there a paradigm shift in pricing I wonder. I always thought .1s would hold their value long-term but didn't anticipate what we are seeing now. Selfishly I want to see more cars on HFS! Keep up the great work all.

dassArse

Plus the zero deductible cpo. Only one I know

dassArse

Could I get a RENN check on the paint for this one?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/391800650306

Hot while it's below reserve

STG

What is the asking price on their website?

STG

Thanks for following.

We've been listing $100K+ GTS's already.

The nice cars will still be listed with no firm price line. We have to follow the market like we've always done. I'm always on the lookout for nice builds first and foremost. The cars will continue to be posted. Without listings we have ZERO here.

squid42

Didn't have time to post properly. This is a base cab in black on full leather screaming red, where the price is reasonable given miles and age. Manual, 14-ways with premium plus. No driver's options.

Price on ebay is $77,000, which might reflect that the lower price doesn't have CPO, but hard to say.

http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-custo...febc96&url=usa

Klepper

I emailed the dealer about this one. We exchanged a few emails, and I was not impressed with the guy I was dealing with. He was very short and curt to the point of being rude. I was trying to see about possibly trading in a car, and I provided my VIN. He simple responded with "your VIN is wrong". I would have expected, "hey, for some reason your VIN doesn't come up in our system, can you please double check that you sent it to me correctly". Once we got the VIN thing cleared up, I asked for a ballpark value he would put on my car. He said he could not without seeing a clean DME report. I had to really push him to give me a ballpark, conditional on a clean DME. He finally did, and it was $9k less than an offer I already had at my local dealer on a trade. Another out of state dealer also gave me an offer similar to my local dealer sight unseen.

Those two things turned me off on the dealership so I just dropped it. Maybe he was just having a bad couple of days, but they sure didn't seem too eager to try and make something work. When a new relationship starts that way with a dealership, I just usually walk away.

squid42

I see a lot of enthusiastic buyers of 718 cars, with few exceptions they like the 718 over the 981 because of the more modern electronics, include Apple carpray, the auto-distance cruise control, lane change assist, LED lights etc.

A couple people like the 718 S for its speed/price, which is arguably good. If you don't add options, otherwise you make a $95,000 Boxster.

As we see now, those kinds of buyers do exist, but they don't seem to make critical mass compared to those who just want a nice sounding, nice driving sports car.

I will have to say that Porsche offers a lot of car for the price of a base 718 when I add a few options that have high value to me and are not offered on competing cars in that price range. However, I walked away from the 718 test drive finding the sound unacceptable. (there are a lot of 4-cylinder cars that sound good IMHO, but not that one)

I estimate that the new official offering of contrasting seat colors and contrasting stitching in the builder might push a couple more of the new buyers to strike, but I doubt it makes up for the losses. A new model selling so much less than the outgoing model in its last year is very bad news.

thought

No pics, but this seems to be a pretty amazing price for a 991.1 C2S with a solid options list.

Price:
$ 68,998.00
Condition:
Certified
Mileage:
19,101 mi
Exterior Color:
Agate Grey Metallic
Interior Color:
Agate / Pebble Grey lthr int
Transmission:
7 Speed Automatic
Stock #:
R1199A
VIN (Vehicle Identification Number):
WP0AB2A98CS121357

Base - The New 911 Carrera S
176 - Sport Exhaust System
250 - Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
276 - Automatically Dimming Mirrors
321 - Power Sport Seats (right)
322 - Power Sport Seats (left)
342 - Seat Heating (front)
427 - 20-inch Carrera Classic Wheel
446 - Wheel Center Caps With Colored Porsche Crest
541 - Seat Ventilation (Front)
583 - Smoking Package
603 - Porsche Dynamic Light System
640 - Sport Chrono Package
672 - Navigation Module
682 - Burmester(R) Sound System
690 - SiriusXM(R) & HD Radio(R) Rcvr
693 - 6-disc CD/DVD Changer
844 - Multi-function Steering Wheel
970 - Two-tone Leather Interior
BV - Agate Grey / Pebble Grey Leather Interior
N0 - Agate Grey Metallic
P06 - Power Sport Seats (14-way)
P38 - Premium Package
P3A - Burmester® Audio Package
ZAA - Auto AC
ZAB - Ornamental Porsche Crest
ZAC - No Sunroof

https://chambers.porschedealer.com/i...etallic+992365

squid42

Not hot, but priced reasonably. More than $30,000 off at 5500 miles.

Manual c2 base coupe. Upgraded wheels, natural full leather with monotone same color leather trim strips.

The yellow-on-brown will look a bit better in person or in a context with reasonable white balance. Random dealer, warranty probably runs out early 2018.

Those yellow instruments are not nearly as bright as the outside racing yellow. They look pretty pleasing in person. Actually I always questioned whether you should coming those "racing yellow" instruments with "racing yellow" exterior since they are different enough shades of yellow to potentially bite. At least it skipped painted interior trim. I would change the seatbelts to black, though.

Car fax looks OK. No accident, single owner, but no maintenance noticed either.

https://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistor...&partner=ATD_W

$71,000 @ 8,585 miles, down from $102,530 msrp

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...modelCode1=911

VIN: WP0AA2A99ES107392

8,585 miles, $102,530 msrp, $31,530 loss, 69.25%
$3.67/mile, mile factor 0.652/10k
$768.19/month(p), age 3.4 years (41 months), factor 0.898/year, 2,511 miles/year (production)

squid42

As I mentioned this one is on Ebay for $77,000. That might or might not reflect that CPO is not included at the lower price, or it could be random.

$81,500 @ 21,355 miles, down from $113,275 msrp

http://locator.porsche.com/ipl-custo...febc96&url=usa

VIN: WP0CA2A90FS141098

21,355 miles, $113,275 msrp, $31,775 loss, 71.95%
$1.49/mile, mile factor 0.857/10k
$1,112.91/month(w), age 2.4 years (28 months), factor 0.871/year, 8,981 miles/year (warranty)
$961.26/month(p), age 2.8 years (33 months), factor 0.887/year, 7,757 miles/year (production)

squid42

post edit doesn't work for me right now, last car is now $75,000

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2015-Porsche...9Y7n7t&vxp=mtr