HOT FOR SALE: Pick of the Week 991
#3751
For those familiar with the power kit, has anyone added it to an existing S? What did it run?
#3752
That's a very nice build, great car for the money and mileage.
#3753
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Originally Posted by dd356
For those familiar with the power kit, has anyone added it to an existing S? What did it run?
Last edited by STG; 05-29-2016 at 12:48 AM.
#3754
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching
What's the price premium of a 4S over an S on, say a 2013 like this? $5k?
That's a very nice build, great car for the money and mileage.
That's a very nice build, great car for the money and mileage.
#3755
Interesting. The 4S sells well locally, because we live in the mountains, but I have no idea why anyone would risk wrecking their paint and car in wintertime conditions, unless they simply don't care about the car. It's an abomination! Local dealer says he loves getting 4S models in!
#3756
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching
Interesting. The 4S sells well locally, because we live in the mountains, but I have no idea why anyone would risk wrecking their paint and car in wintertime conditions, unless they simply don't care about the car. It's an abomination! Local dealer says he loves getting 4S models in!
But as we see, prices are all over the place many times. It's all about what a seller has the car listed for AND willing to sell it for. Pretty simple.
That's why with the 911 not being a Camry, you have to not limit yourself in searches. Shipping a car is EASY as I've said. $2K for coast to coast enclosed transport and depending on route. So, $2K to save another $5K++++ AND find your dream car?? A no brainer! Or even spend $2K to actually BUY your dream car. Wait until you find one within 50 miles of home and you can be waiting a long time.
#3757
The 4S is a great seller. Ok, let me clarify myself. The 4S has a high base price than the S. You could argue that the resale on the 4S could be a bit higher based on part of the difference in base prices. At the same time, the "average" MSRP on a 4S is higher than an S model when options are added. So it would make sense that they are priced higher on the used market.
But as we see, prices are all over the place many times. It's all about what a seller has the car listed for AND willing to sell it for. Pretty simple.
That's why with the 911 not being a Camry, you have to not limit yourself in searches. Shipping a car is EASY as I've said. $2K for coast to coast enclosed transport and depending on route. So, $2K to save another $5K++++ AND find your dream car?? A no brainer! Or even spend $2K to actually BUY your dream car. Wait until you find one within 50 miles of home and you can be waiting a long time.
But as we see, prices are all over the place many times. It's all about what a seller has the car listed for AND willing to sell it for. Pretty simple.
That's why with the 911 not being a Camry, you have to not limit yourself in searches. Shipping a car is EASY as I've said. $2K for coast to coast enclosed transport and depending on route. So, $2K to save another $5K++++ AND find your dream car?? A no brainer! Or even spend $2K to actually BUY your dream car. Wait until you find one within 50 miles of home and you can be waiting a long time.
#3758
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...-poor-car.html
Here is an example of a CPO worksheet.
http://www.nadaguides.com/Cars/Certi...-checklist.pdf
The most tempting area for an unscrupulous dealer to bend/break/cheat the CPO process is in the exterior panels. Per PCNA guidelines a car can have up to 2 panels resprayed and still be qualified for CPO. And there is no requirement for the dealer to disclose to you that any panels have been resprayed.
Even "minor damage" is apparently allowed, like on this CPO C4S currently on sale at Porsche of Westmont IL.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...6667/overview/
Buying based solely on general reputation of the dealer is very dangerous IMO. Instead, each car must be evaluated on its own merits.
Personally, it wouldn't make a difference to me if the CPO was signed off on by the Pope. I would still get an independent PPI done.
#3759
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Originally Posted by ajeffrey10
Would you buy a car sight unseen? Even from a reputable dealer? Just starting my search for a 991 C2S and this thought has run across my mind. Being in the Bay Area, it might be easy for me to find one in CA, but who knows? Bother with a PPI on a CPO car?
As mentioned, each car needs to be judged on its own regardless of dealer.
As far as CPO, they can be in accidents too. Just no structural damage. Also, no more than two panels repainted. The CPO process is a pretty lax one. The biggest benefit being the extended warranty over being the end all on the cars condition. Pretty much you're sure it's up to date on scheduled service and meets tire/brake wear minimums.
Overall, for every bad story there are 100 good ones. The potential bad ones are usually easy to spot.
This is all part of the pre-owned game. Takes a little work, but as we see here can be very rewarding to your bank account and fulfilling that 911 dream.
#3760
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Originally Posted by r00t61
Buying based solely on general reputation of the dealer is very dangerous IMO. Instead, each car must be evaluated on its own merits.
Nice post (didn't want to quote it all)
#3761
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2012.5 C2S Manual Cab. Under 4K miles and CPO. Save over $40K
http://www.bakermotorcompany.com/veh...sc-id-13466297
http://www.bakermotorcompany.com/veh...sc-id-13466297
#3762
I would get ANY car checked out. Me personally, being picky on the cosmetics, I'd need to see it in person. I've flown out to see cars before. Glad I did as some have worked out and some not.
As mentioned, each car needs to be judged on its own regardless of dealer.
As far as CPO, they can be in accidents too. Just no structural damage. Also, no more than two panels repainted. The CPO process is a pretty lax one. The biggest benefit being the extended warranty over being the end all on the cars condition. Pretty much you're sure it's up to date on scheduled service and meets tire/brake wear minimums.
Overall, for every bad story there are 100 good ones. The potential bad ones are usually easy to spot.
This is all part of the pre-owned game. Takes a little work, but as we see here can be very rewarding to your bank account and fulfilling that 911 dream.
As mentioned, each car needs to be judged on its own regardless of dealer.
As far as CPO, they can be in accidents too. Just no structural damage. Also, no more than two panels repainted. The CPO process is a pretty lax one. The biggest benefit being the extended warranty over being the end all on the cars condition. Pretty much you're sure it's up to date on scheduled service and meets tire/brake wear minimums.
Overall, for every bad story there are 100 good ones. The potential bad ones are usually easy to spot.
This is all part of the pre-owned game. Takes a little work, but as we see here can be very rewarding to your bank account and fulfilling that 911 dream.
#3764
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I would get ANY car checked out. Me personally, being picky on the cosmetics, I'd need to see it in person. I've flown out to see cars before. Glad I did as some have worked out and some not.
As mentioned, each car needs to be judged on its own regardless of dealer.
As far as CPO, they can be in accidents too. Just no structural damage. Also, no more than two panels repainted. The CPO process is a pretty lax one. The biggest benefit being the extended warranty over being the end all on the cars condition. Pretty much you're sure it's up to date on scheduled service and meets tire/brake wear minimums.
Overall, for every bad story there are 100 good ones. The potential bad ones are usually easy to spot.
This is all part of the pre-owned game. Takes a little work, but as we see here can be very rewarding to your bank account and fulfilling that 911 dream.
As mentioned, each car needs to be judged on its own regardless of dealer.
As far as CPO, they can be in accidents too. Just no structural damage. Also, no more than two panels repainted. The CPO process is a pretty lax one. The biggest benefit being the extended warranty over being the end all on the cars condition. Pretty much you're sure it's up to date on scheduled service and meets tire/brake wear minimums.
Overall, for every bad story there are 100 good ones. The potential bad ones are usually easy to spot.
This is all part of the pre-owned game. Takes a little work, but as we see here can be very rewarding to your bank account and fulfilling that 911 dream.
On the flip side, I bought from another private party in which I got him to take it to the local Porsche dealership for a full inspection that I paid for. It had everything on it including detailed condition of the paint. Best 200 bucks I ever spent. Maybe the inspection includes more items than the CPO?? When I hear CPO, I think mechancial more than cosmetics.
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#3765
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Originally Posted by ZBB0730
Very good advice. I got burned badly when buying a GT3 from a private party in Chicago..was promoted as a show car and pics to go along with it. As soon as I got off the truck, I could see the results of a major repair he failed to disclose.
On the flip side, I bought from another private party in which I got him to take it to the local Porsche dealership for a full inspection that I paid for. It had everything on it including detailed condition of the paint. Best 200 bucks I ever spent. Maybe the inspection includes more items than the CPO?? When I hear CPO, I think mechancial more than cosmetics.
On the flip side, I bought from another private party in which I got him to take it to the local Porsche dealership for a full inspection that I paid for. It had everything on it including detailed condition of the paint. Best 200 bucks I ever spent. Maybe the inspection includes more items than the CPO?? When I hear CPO, I think mechancial more than cosmetics.
Paying the dealer to do a third party inspection as you did in case #2 was a good idea. They have no vested interest in you buying the car. You are paying for the inspection too.
If you rely on the seller giving you all the inspection info, thats definitely not an unbiased inspection many times. It's in their best interest to sell the car at any cost most of the time.