Ivyplaya01

took me awhile but here are the pics. Already have put 1500 miles on the car, love driving it.

Ivyplaya01

my original post. I have since retrofitted a 991.2 steering wheel to it to update the appearance of the interior.

Freddie Two Bs

What was the backdoor?

visitador

There was a way to enter a vin# on the Porsche site to find a built sheet. So, we could see exactly what options a particular car had and the original MSRP and hence, we knew whether it was a hot deal or not (basically desirable options, high MSRP, low miles, preferable with warranty, and low asking price). However, as more and more people knew, it got abused. You'll find all these "helpful" guys posting the built sheets all over various threads, whether asked or not. Porsche knew and tried to modify the software a couple of times. We had some bright guys here who found a go-around. I believe Vin Anaytics came around that time and tried to make money from it by building a database of all the built sheets. That is when Porsche got serious and shut it down.

Nowadays, Vin Analytics still provides info of whatever was previously released. Also, Porsche still posts the built sheets on its pre-owned search site (so, more info still comes in). However, if a car was not previously discovered and has not been advertised in the pre-owned Porsche site, then you won't be able to see the built sheet unless the seller volunteers it. Private sellers may do so, but independent dealers most likely won't even know what options are in the car.

Bob Z.

And if someone really wants a nice looking Build Sheet (window sticker) they can be purchased on Suncoast: https://www.suncoastparts.com/produc...OWSTICKER.html

Scorponok

The misinformation in this post is seriously misleading and completely off the mark.

Please do not pay for PDF window stickers people. Talk about making money off of things ... PDFs are available free from VINAnalytics.com

mjsporsche

IMHO, this thread has lost its original intent to find great deals on 991 Porsches. Too bad.

dkmesa

^ Then share a deal to get the thread back on course...the commentary doesn't really contribute much just like the posts you're targeting with your comment.

Ivyplaya01

I agree.

and some of these posts may seem inconsistent from the original purpose of 991 HFS, but you need to read the history of posts in the thread to gain the full perspective. for example my recent posts were made because my car I just bought WAS originally featured and discussed in HFS a couple years ago, and it certainly was a HFS purchase this time around again. It helped to talk to others about it before making the purchase. $70k for a 991s with 29k miles under CPo warranty with original window sticker of $172k certainly qualified in my opinion as HFS. My two cents. I love this thread

mjsporsche

You are right that my post is equally non value to the original intent of the knowledge and posts that STG developed. If I was aware of a great deal I would post it. I am not alone to express my concern as to where this thread has gone. We need knowledgeable 991 experts who enjoy looking at offerings and finding treasures. Just have not seen that in months.

Explorer16

I know a little bit about this car. it was for sale at Lynwood Audi this past summer. We made an offer and they declined. It had about 13K miles at the time. It disappeared from their for sale section so I figured they sold it. I actually liked the car a lot. Very rare color. A couple of weeks rolled by and it showed up on auto trader I believe, and it's being sold by Elliot bay motors. They repainted the wheels black, which I thought made the car look sharper (it was platinum),,
and they added a couple thousand to the price.We drove it but my wife did not like the stiff ride (PASM Sport) so we did not buy it. A month or so later they sold the car. The summer went by and it's back on auto trader with 5K more miles on it. I looked at the Carfax and it has a Theft report on it. My guess is that somebody bought it and took it for a joyride for a couple of months and had it repossessed. 5K miles in a couple of months is a lot for a 911. Not typical. Just be aware.

Explorer16

I was referring to the anthracite red 911.

sr5959

Interesting, when I was thinking about buying my first 911 last summer, I went with my gf to return her Q5 at end of lease to Lynnwood Audi. This Amaranth Red 911S was sitting in their showroom and I sat in it. I asked the guy sitting at his desk about it but he was a little rude as he probably thought I wasn’t serious. It is a good-looking car but the theft on the Carfax would put me off buying.

Dkk16

Need some advice.

Looking do buy a new 2019 Targa 4, 4S, or GTS. With the end of the year, dealers are discounting 6-10%.

I came across a slightly used 19 Targa GTS Agate/Agate (I happen to like Agate/Agate). No Comfort Entry, No Ventilated Seats. 745 miles. Full Front PPE, Battery Charger (even though he did not order a smoking pkg). This guy built it & the dealer didn't do him any favors. MSRP $157K. For 2019 Targa's they sold 645-GTS's, 380-4S's, 85-4's. Average MSRP of 2019 Targa GTS is $168,660. They got him with a Key warranty, Scratch/Ding warranty, Windshield warranty, rim warranty,etc... He is an older guy & super nice. Supposedly he can get a refund on the warranty's.

He was asking $172, trying to recoup all his extras. I was patient with him trying not to insult him & make him understand reality. I got him down to reality at 10% off MSRP &142K which is ok i think. He now wants $143K It is a very vanilla build. The only mechanical upgrade is rear axle steering. No cosmetic upgrades, kinda boring, but still a bad *** 911 Targa GTS.

I guess my issue is, IMO having a GTS you have certain expectations of modifications, color enhancements, bells & whistles, etc... This one, nothing.

Now my question. Does this NOT having the Comfort Entry & Seat Ventilation a negative against the perceived value? Normal percentage off depreciation of new 911's are 13-17%. Is my 10% off his MSRP significant enough for a down the road hit? I can easily pass & get a very attractive 4 with everything incl my aftermarket PPF, tint & delivery for 6K more than the used. Or a 4S for 12K more than the used. Or a GTS for more than 21K more than the used.

I can install my own smoking kit & cargo net for $450..

What say you??

Freddie Two Bs

I say buying a 911 without comfort entry and seat ventilation is like going deer hunting without an accordion.