WGJP 993

919 was the one-post wonder, never to be heard from again. 919 = k997?

Thanks to one or both of you. Great stuff!

STG

919 was our hero. I believe his info tipped off k997 who was offline until then. Doubt the same guys ???? Regardless, VIN Analytics is a great site.

https://vinanalytics.com

sky walker

alexisthemovie

Seems like a great deal

https://www.autonation.com/cars/WP0AB2A94DS122216

2000se

This does look nice. Makes me want to trade mine now.. I love the 4S's.

rjongco

JJPM

Hi everyone! New member here and have been looking for a 991 for a while no rush but rather looking for a great deal. I am currently driving a Macan Turbo and Tesla Model X. Just wanted to get a 991 for more fun...so don't need much or luxury/cosmetic options. I found one on craigslist:

2013 C4S. MSRP: $143K asking $80K. Assume everything looks good, what is the good price for this one? Thanks advance.


https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/c...653095967.html

STG

Looks like could be a scam and stolen pics. Get a VIN #

Showing house and garage pics but they're a advertising as a small dealer. Craigslist has so many dirtbag scammers.

dkmesa

Vin on the window sticker shows WP0AB2A97DS121819. build sheet not available on vin analytics.

Cysco

Question for the group.

On a PTS car, does anyone know if the build sheet from vin analytics would include the price of the PTS in it's MSRP?

Reason I ask is I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a PTS Car. If I build the same spec on the Porsche website WITHOUT the PTS option it basically equals what the vin analytics build sheet says is the MSRP was. That makes me think that it isn't adding in the PTS fee as part of the MSRP and that the actual sticker price would have been 8k+ higher.

Anyone have any experience with this?

STG

Yes, build sheet includes the PTS cost in MSRP.

PTS for 991.2's went up significantly in $$$. Can't recall before and after exact cost now. Like doubled or more. Why you're seeing a discrepancy. Also, overall Porsche prices pretty much increase every year.

pfbz

Just to be clear, the build sheets aren't from Vin Analytics... They have created a website that simplifies and front-ends the back door into the Porsche dealer system that allows retrieving build sheets. Nice service, mind you, it saves you from having to convert alphanumeric to hex, cut and paste, etc., but it's all Porsche data.

Scorponok

STGs correct, the MSRP will include the PTS in it. Prices have increased a lot for PTS, so you can't compare a 2018/2019 build to whatever you're looking at.

STG

Are they somehow converting or compiling this info for anything? I think he mentioned they are storing build sheets that are run through it?

This type of site can't be complicated to create. Any idea of cost to create and upkeep on one? Any developers here?

pfbz

I'm guessing they just cache every vin they run, and check to see if they have it in cache before going to the backdoor of nationalpreownedporsche.com. If ten people run the same vin, they are only hitting the Porsche database once and pulling it out of cache every subsequent query...

As K997 discovered, Porsche is extremely protective of their trademarks and routinely send cease and desist letters to anyone using one of their trademarks for anything even remotely commercial or otherwise dilutive of their brand. And while it sounds like his interactions with them on the data side have so far been supportive, I definitely worry that any commercialization of Vinanalytics, even if it's just advertising to cover server costs, especially in combination with capturing and storing their vin data, might bring unwanted attention and perhaps have Porsche actually hire a competent programmer to shut the back door securely with something more clever than changing alphanumeric to hex...

Call me a pessimist, bu build sheets access is definitely not a tool that Porsche intended for the general public. It is a DEALER TOOL.. They have already made changes twice that made it a bit more difficult for the public to get them, but both changes also quickly had work-arounds discovered still allowing access. More attention and semi-commercialization of the build sheet backdoor is not going to help keep this information flowing long term.

All that said, I'd be HAPPY to offer a donation to keep the vinanalytics servers running, as I'm sure many others would. It is definitely is easier than the convert/cut/paste method and saves from having to write your own script, but I really urge them to not make it in any way commercial or even collecting ad revenues.