GTS 2015 Built -
10-07-2014, 05:01 PM
#91
Attachment 1 is the 'new' 50th editions reported by Cars.com, although it sorts of includes the Rosyln car as 'new'. The Garff cars are listed as used but the text says 'new' and with 7 miles each. The rest of the listings are of other 50th Editions 'used' and available for sale a present time either Cars.com or Autotrader. One (Isringhausen) is a duplicate. A recent used 50th edition which was showing at Boardwalk in Texas apparently has sold since it's no longer listed.
Saludos,
Eduardo
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10-07-2014, 05:53 PM
#92
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10-07-2014, 05:54 PM
#93
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10-07-2014, 07:15 PM
#94
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Press release from Porsche announcing the GTS models has just been sent ...
Ive opened a new top level thread and I will post content there!
Ive opened a new top level thread and I will post content there!
10-07-2014, 08:11 PM
#95
By the way Werner, switching from the '14 50th Anniversary to the '15 GTS makes no sense from any point of view for a Porsche aficionado. From a 'collectable' or 'rare aesthetics' point of view, the 50th Anniversary will be the more desirable model down the road! And the performance will be the probably the same as the GTS. So keeping your 50th is a no-brainer!
So it begs the question in what model(s) will PAG allow the new technology first introduced in the 2014 991 gt3 (some of it also later introduced in the top-of-the-line 911 Turbo) to trickle-down-into? Will it be some 'lesser' models AFTER the facelift in MY2016? I am talking here about PDK-Sport, upgraded steering calibrations, Rear Axle Steering, etc. I don't anticipate we will see a MY2016 .2 991 gt3. If that model continues (depends on Euro Cycle 6 emissions & new US regulations), it will most likely re-appear as a MY2017 in .2 facelift form! But technology is moving so quickly (Porsche will need next to concentrate on the mid-engine 960/988 platform as that is the 'FE-Fi' - Ferrari Fighter - designed to be more competitive at the track than the current 911-based gt3 platform!) that it makes little sense NOT to integrate this brilliant technology developed for the more expensive .1 gt3/Turbo (actually some came out of the 918 program!) models into the regular .2 991's for what little remains of this chassis cycle (MY2016, MY2017, My2018 at minimum). In my opinion, it's simple a case of 'use it or loose it'. And I will bet they'll use it to breath new interest & life into the .2 991 (or 992 - whatever they call it). So, it would not surprise me to see this innovative technology on some of the MY2016 .2 991 S model (at minimum)!
So although I am quite disappointed that this upcoming MY2015 GTS will not incorporate this newer gt3/Turbo technology, I am quite confident that we will soon see it on some of the 'standard' 991 models coming up next Spring with the .2 face lift MY2016!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
*Turbo as currently define '911 Turbo and 911 Turbo S'. Potentially we will see 'smaller' Turbos in the .2 991 line-up but that is not what I am talking about reference to the other technology (Pdk Sport, RAS, etc).
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10-07-2014, 08:14 PM
#96
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you are right Eduardo.
10-09-2014, 05:20 PM
#97
By the way Werner, switching from the '14 50th Anniversary to the '15 GTS makes no sense from any point of view for a Porsche aficionado. From a 'collectable' or 'rare aesthetics' point of view, the 50th Anniversary will be the more desirable model down the road! And the performance will be the probably the same as the GTS. So keeping your 50th is a no-brainer!
I'm realistic about collectibility: Although the 50th has exclusivity-bragging rights to the GTS, the resale of the 40th car hasn't exactly turned to gold relative to standard issue 911s.
10-09-2014, 07:18 PM
#98
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No probably not, except that the GTS provides a "second-chance" to order different set of preferred options in a different color.
I'm realistic about collectibility: Although the 50th has exclusivity-bragging rights to the GTS, the resale of the 40th car hasn't exactly turned to gold relative to standard issue 911s.
I'm realistic about collectibility: Although the 50th has exclusivity-bragging rights to the GTS, the resale of the 40th car hasn't exactly turned to gold relative to standard issue 911s.
If I had to pick exclusivity, I'd say that the Sport Classic was more collectable than the 50th ... it certainly looks better!
10-09-2014, 09:06 PM
#99
we dont yet know the total production run for the GTS variants ... if it ballpark totals 1960 (per variant or in total) ... where's the exclusivity now? If I had to pick exclusivity, I'd say that the Sport Classic was more collectable than the 50th ... it certainly looks better!
GTS is not a limited edition, so how many depends on the order books from now until they close them months from now. 'Sport Classic' was on a different order of magnitude as the '50th Anniversary' (250 examples vs 1963). It was also one of the most expensive limited editions ever for a 911 - €169,300 or nearly $220,000 at the time! And the former was never officially sold in the US, although I know a few that were imported privately. So comparing the '50th Anniversary' to the 'Sport Classic' is not fair...nor logical!
Saludos,
Eduardo
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10-09-2014, 09:21 PM
#100
It's still better than any used regular 2014 991 with Powerkit! Just check the for sale ads at 'Autotrader' or 'Cars.com'. In general, depreciation of the 991 (like most non-limited production cars) is pretty steep. The question is how it will fare years down the road compare to its 991 contemporaries. That is where it will do well. I am pretty sure it will be a collectible among the future cognoscenti, especially those that appreciate it's retro color instrumentation & unique 'pepita/houndstooth' interior!
You don't say....
GTS is not a limited edition, so how many depends on the order books from now until they close them months from now. 'Sport Classic' was on a different order of magnitude as the '50th Anniversary' (250 examples vs 1963). It was also one of the most expensive limited editions ever for a 911 - €169,300 or nearly $220,000 at the time! And the former was never officially sold in the US, although I know a few that were imported privately. So comparing the '50th Anniversary' to the 'Sport Classic' is not fair...nor logical!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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You don't say....
GTS is not a limited edition, so how many depends on the order books from now until they close them months from now. 'Sport Classic' was on a different order of magnitude as the '50th Anniversary' (250 examples vs 1963). It was also one of the most expensive limited editions ever for a 911 - €169,300 or nearly $220,000 at the time! And the former was never officially sold in the US, although I know a few that were imported privately. So comparing the '50th Anniversary' to the 'Sport Classic' is not fair...nor logical!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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10-10-2014, 05:13 AM
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There was a used sport classic for sale on the lot, when I ordered my 911-50. I was sold about a month later for CHF 147'000.- about $155'000.-.
Another 997 Speedster true blue was sold used $236'000 by another garage in town. I stayed about 2 years in the showroom.
Both were sold $315'000 new in Switzerland.
Another 997 Speedster true blue was sold used $236'000 by another garage in town. I stayed about 2 years in the showroom.
Both were sold $315'000 new in Switzerland.
10-10-2014, 05:26 AM
#102
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There was a used sport classic for sale on the lot, when I ordered my 911-50. I was sold about a month later for CHF 147'000.- about $155'000.-.
Another 997 Speedster true blue was sold used $236'000 by another garage in town. I stayed about 2 years in the showroom.
Both were sold $315'000 new in Switzerland.
Another 997 Speedster true blue was sold used $236'000 by another garage in town. I stayed about 2 years in the showroom.
Both were sold $315'000 new in Switzerland.
Last Sport Classic in UK apparently went for ~list.....3 yrs after debut
~140kGBP
10-10-2014, 12:18 PM
#103
10-10-2014, 02:46 PM
#104
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SWEET! 50th is a wannabe Sport Classic IMO
10-10-2014, 09:39 PM
#105
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It's still better than any used regular 2014 991 with Powerkit! Just check the for sale ads at 'Autotrader' or 'Cars.com'. In general, depreciation of the 991 (like most non-limited production cars) is pretty steep. The question is how it will fare years down the road compare to its 991 contemporaries. That is where it will do well. I am pretty sure it will be a collectible among the future cognoscenti, especially those that appreciate it's retro color instrumentation & unique 'pepita/houndstooth' interior!
You don't say....
GTS is not a limited edition, so how many depends on the order books from now until they close them months from now. 'Sport Classic' was on a different order of magnitude as the '50th Anniversary' (250 examples vs 1963). It was also one of the most expensive limited editions ever for a 911 - €169,300 or nearly $220,000 at the time! And the former was never officially sold in the US, although I know a few that were imported privately. So comparing the '50th Anniversary' to the 'Sport Classic' is not fair...nor logical!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
.
You don't say....
GTS is not a limited edition, so how many depends on the order books from now until they close them months from now. 'Sport Classic' was on a different order of magnitude as the '50th Anniversary' (250 examples vs 1963). It was also one of the most expensive limited editions ever for a 911 - €169,300 or nearly $220,000 at the time! And the former was never officially sold in the US, although I know a few that were imported privately. So comparing the '50th Anniversary' to the 'Sport Classic' is not fair...nor logical!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
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