Mondrian

And its not just the indoor (show) lighting conditions that makes them look shiny, here is a couple of outdoor shots;

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jmirandes

The PR cars are US-spec cars even though the PR dealer is Not under porsche USA, so there you have 2 more cars as you may also do in other US territories. Pricing is msrp X 1.4 ( all cars above $40k), so you can end up with a $200k 911-50.

Mondrian

But PR is not listed under a separate market so its either fed via USA or South America (unlikely) so I think it is fed from PCNA allocation or at least its sales registered in the PCNA region. Do you have details of the other 50th in PR such as LEN, registration plate, colour, g/box etc as I only register cars that have a unique identifier to avoid duplication.

To clarify, I use the same regional sales as Porsche use in their sales in their annual report. I suspect as individual country sales grow Porsche changes their listing. Case in hand being Canada, up to a few years ago Canadian sales was reported under PCNA but it is being reported separately. I am not sure how it is handled internally but this is how Porsche reports the sales and also what I use to estimate market allocation for 50th. Here is the Porsche markets as appears in their 2013 report.

USA
Germany
ME & Africa
UK
China
Japan
France
Switzerland
Canada
Asia Pacific
Italy
Latin America
Belgium
Eastern Europe
Netherlands
Scandinavia
Austria
Australia/NZ
Spain/Portugal
Russia
Luxembourg

FORENN

It was actually Cyrek who first mentioned the graphite grey sometimes looks army green. It's interesting to see the photos Cyrek and you posted. After seeing the purple and army green sides of graphite, I must say I prefer the geyser grey more than ever.

VIC_50th

Porsche Canada was recently peeled off PCNA, and became an 'independent' entity, this is what you have seen.
Previously, all Cdn sales went through PCNA, hence the "NA" moniker!

jmirandes

Will see if i can find out for you but, PR cars, even though they are US-spec, fall under the same distributor that handles south america. However, you my be correct that they do come out from
PCNA allocation. Will let you know if i find out...

Mondrian

Canada is a big market for 911, their 2013 sales ranked 9th out of 21 markets and also growing while a historical strong market such as UK is shrinking (by 42% over past 9 years).

That would be great, you have made wonder about Mexico too! At this rate PCNA will have to change their name to PCUSA

Mondrian

Based on the cars I have tagged 51% are Graphite & 34.5% are Geyser so Graphite seems to be the more popular of the 2 while Geyser is the rarer of the two. I like to think of them as old cool (McQueen Grey) vs Newer cool (Lebowski Geyser).

VIC_50th

What kind of numbers do you have now?

Mondrian

As its the world cup its only appropriate to have the latest tagged entry (311th) from Sao Paulo, Brazil. Nice to see them on track.

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Mondrian

I suppose I better post some pics of the other grey to appease the Geyser gang. As we honoured the world cup in Brazil its only fair to also honour Tour de France which is now in full swing in England.

Geyser in full track mode at Silverstone with ceramics.

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LA Brit

Interesting to see someone spec CCB's.

Bacura

I have PCCB on mine. I don't think it's that unusual. I'm pretty sure my dealer sold 5 with PCCB's.

Mondrian

It's pretty unusual here in Europe, I suppose you guys get the X51 free and pay less for ceramics so might as well. In UK I have only seen 2 with ceramics out of the 25 I have tagged. The other was a Graphite and with an aftermarket exhaust so it might have an X51 too.

Mondrian

The question of depreciation has popped up a few times, here are my thoughts and numbers on current & future trends for 50th anniversary model.

People compare 50th to 40th which really is not like for like – yes they do share a commonality in that 1963 of each were made and both are anniversary models but what sets them apart?

Porsche 911 sales were lower 10 years ago and there was no new world market out there – Combined sales in China, SE Asia, Middle East, eastern Europe, south America, Africa accounted for less than 4% of 911 sales in 2004. However in 2014 these new markets are estimated to account for close to a quarter of worldwide sales of 911. So this time there is actually less anniversary model cars (out of the 1963 cars) fed to the historical western markets (by some 300-400 cars) while the size of market has grown by well over 10% - net ratio is that Porsche only fed 2/3 of the numbers of 40th to the same markets and as we know price is dictated by supply & demand so supply is down and demand is up!

Don’t forget 40th was based on 996, the ugly duckling & least desirable of all 7 generations of Porsche and introduced to the market at the end of that model lifespan while the 50th is based on 991 which is widely perceived as the most beautiful (some say on par with the classic 911’s) and also at the beginning of the model lifecycle.

It is also only the second European retro look car that has ever been mass produced – first being BMW Z8 which was a nod to the classic 507 – 5703 were built of which 2543 were sent across the pond to US, (I omitted US muscle cars as I don’t know much about these new reincarnated models or if there is anything retro about them). In case you haven’t noticed retro is very popular in the motor industry, there are quite a few motorcycle manufacturers that are doing very good business on the retro café-racer look (Triumph, Motto Guzzi as well as the Japanese etc), but we have not seen any cars jumping on that boat as there are not many that were around 50 years ago (in 60’s). Have a good look around at custom specialists doing retro bikes and cars (such as Singer) & the prices they charge!

So it should not be a surprise that while Porsche started deliveries very late in 2013, already in May all cars were sold-out meaning that you could not order & spec a new car, just what dealers have in their stock - all these were sold with little or no discount which certainly was not the case for the 40th or the 991. So 911-50 not selling well is a total myth – I tried to buy a new one in May and Porsche GB said there is none left and all is sold-out and no dealer stocks either!

I haven’t really kept an eye on the world-wide used prices but here in UK every used car listed has been at same level or over list prices and sold pretty quick. In actual fact the last two used cars in England were listed for 3-5% above list price and both sold within 48 hours (last weekend) so doubt any discounts were given on those prices. This is still early days and there is some confusion and mis-information out there so if you can grab a deal then go for it and in actual fact some have taken advantage and managed to get good deals - have heard 7% discount on new 50th from a US rennlister & another member in UK reported 12% below new list price for a used sub 2000 miles 50th, but these seem to be exceptions rather than norm and you have to factor in the options too!

Also worth noting is that you had little or no options on 40th anniversary whereas you have a choice of 3 exterior colours, 3 interior trims & lots of other options which make these cars even more unique. As an example I will throw some numbers at my car, a Geyser Grey. According to my estimation less than 100 anniversary 991 cars were imported into UK (against 120 of 40th). Based on my stats of the 25 cars I have tagged in UK, 28% are Geysers which means there are at most 28 Geysers in UK. To add a reference to that number, 32 sports classic cars were allocated in the UK in 2009/10. So already there are less geysers than Club Coupe’s even without reducing the numbers by sunroof delete, rear wiper delete, black leather delete, MF s/wheel delete etc (or add if you fancy). By the time I am through with all that then there is only a handful of cars with similar spec than mine in UK which is pretty rare for a car at this price point (100,000 GBP).

Meanwhile Porsche is churning out over 30,000 911 cars every year (over 1500 in UK) for the duration of its lifespan (over 200,000 in lifecycle) while there will be no more 50th so no way 50th anniversary will have the same depreciation as that of 991 or 40th, hell it could even hold or appreciate in the long run depending on what Porsche does with their future 911. For an alternative reference look at a 30th anniversary model with almost 20,000 miles on the clock – listed by a Porsche dealer in Netherlands for 130,000 euro that’s around US$180,000 – yes we know C2 964 prices are high but as a non anniversary 964 that car would have been 30 – 40% lower.