bccars

Get some high performance driving lessons. Than come back again and see if you feel the same about MT vs PDK !

rpilot

Why can't civility prevail here? Is this kind of language or attitude necessary? If you feel the need to put down a new Turbo buyer, then there is a fair case to be made that you are NOT one of those buyers. ie: You look for one in the preowned market. And you still blame Porsche for producing PDK only Turbo Cars? Their new car buyers probably mostly want PDK.

This is the same nonsense I see on other forums sometimes. Like the car guy classic, "a manual diesel station wagon", except they all want to buy a well depreciated one, not a brand new 35K VW or a 55K BMW.

Similarly a NEW Turbo buyer willing to spend close to 200K on a Turbo S is either ...

A) A retired or semi-retired individual with time to indulge his/her passions OR

B) A successful businessperson or professional, for whom time is of the essence and in all likelihood drives that Turbo / S whenever he/she drive themselves and PDK is great as a DD.

going back to A)... more folks drive cars for fun in that category and a C2S or C4S with a MT if they prefer for a fun car suffices. For a turbo fan, the other poster is correct, reflexes and agility are not the same for everyone and do dull with age (please do not take this the wrong way anyone) and it is quite plausible that you are spending 1/3 of the time from 0-100 out of gear, so a PDK makes perfect sense to most if not all of them after a good test drive. There will always be an outlier but like I said earlier, the small market (ie: the percentage of buyers who buy a NEW turbo) does not justify the development, manufacturing, supply chain and parts warehousing costs for two decades for a MT.

And if you don't like it... good, buy something else.

rpilot

If you want a MT, buy the C4S and be happy. Life is short. Enjoy your weekend drives.

But if it is a turbo you want, why don't you take a test drive with a PDK Turbo when available at your dealer back to back with a C4S MT and decide for yourself.

I seriously doubt Porsche is going to make a MT Turbo in the future.

doubleurx

I think what cracks me up the most are the pro manual folks that see using a clutch as some elitist art form, reserved for only that special group of people that can actually achieve a smooth double clutch heel toe rev match....... Hate to break it to you, it's not that hard.

Art Caputo

[QUOTE=smuoio;10876602]This may happen. I recently sold my 997 GT3 instantly, and at a price that I don't think I would have ever gotten prior to the announcement of the new model. Whatever the merits of either, I believe Porsche will find they are leaving a lot of $$$$ on the table. I think the dealers are feeding this back to them. Many GT3 users are not hard core racers, and just want a a non luxury version of the 911 to drive on the streets, participate in various club events, and replicate basic characteristics of the traditional Club Sports, RS Americas, and the earlier S models. A MT seems to a fundamental component that desire. At least in the US. IMO.

rglbegl

Does being a professional F2 and Indy driver count?
It was many years ago, so maybe I have forgotten everything I have ever learned and a brush up course would help. . . . . what little driving school did you attend? Would you suggest them to a friend?

I was racing when most teams began the switch from manual to auto. That may have contributed to my dislike of the auto systems.


And I still stand by my statement; In a passenger car that was built to be fun, a manual is much more engaging. Auto's are great for a grocery getter, if that is what you are in to.

chuckbdc

Remarkable.

bccars

+1 .. been doing that the last 2 decades .. bored through my skull with that now .. moved on to PDK, next level, so much more to learn ..

bccars

You are only fooling yourself I'm afraid !

rglbegl

Don't be afraid.
Its okay to admit that you may not be the smartest person in the word on all subjects
But you are definitely entitled to your opinion.

rpilot

Stop being a j*** .

doubleurx

Thanks for solidifying my point.

MarcusG

I'd like to know who the pro F2 and Indy driver's name is?

Cool.

Cool?

Rodbuster

When I was looking for a 911 Turbo, the 6 speed manual trans was a "must have". I bought what I wanted, which was a 6 speed Turbo-Cab. I drove a PDK Turbo, and much preferred the 6 speed trans. I figured when I moved on to the next Porsche, it would be a 991 Turbo. But seeing as how there is no 6 speed available in the 991 Turbo, I will not be considering purchasing one.

chuck911

Never saw anyone respond to timmhaines concept of the dummy clutch. If Porsche modified PDK by adding a clutch pedal and MT type shifter so the driver would have all the same extra, er I mean involving stuff to do, then what would be the problem? PDK allows manual gear selection, just without operating a clutch pedal. If they add the clutch pedal back in, what's the problem?