Dear Porsche,
06-25-2018, 09:40 AM
#91
Race Car
718 sales are not good. 911 sales are still strong and there is huge demand for GT cars. After the 991 wraps up production (including the speedster and the remaining GT3/GT3RS/GT2RS and maybe some unicorn limited production model GT car), porsche has the 992 which, thus far, has not seen much positive response. Sure, those who want the latest (and, thus, presumably greatest) will fill the order books for a while, but Porsche needs something to make some money (maybe Taycan, but I don’t know if the margins will be anything like the existing model line up, at least initially). Finally, to make the 992 sell, Porsche is going to really turn up the wick on power which leaves more room for a high hp 718.
06-25-2018, 11:41 PM
#92
Agreed. That's why I prefer my 911 to d everything in. I want to really get to know it and master it. I drive it in ALL situations.
Yes GROUNDHOG (Mario And.) I drive at DE events. And private track days. And The Skid Pan frequently. And Happy laps, and cars and Coffee and the drag strip, and through the Canyons and on country drivemaster days.
I do it all. But of course what I don't do is professionally race it with Professional race car race.
Of course you see more caymans out there they are half the price. The starting price of a 911 here is $300K. A loaded GTS is $350K. GT are over $400K. A GT2-RS is $770K. The mighty cayman is under $100K except the GT4 which is just over $200K. Yes we get well and truely bent over with tax. The cayman is cheap. I get it.
I have one last thing to add and I am done. If we assume that the drivers that set laps at the ring are driving all of the cars at 10/10's. Then how far down the list is the Cayman GT4? Quite a long way. Until they build one that can take down a GT2-RS at the ring, I am not interested in them at all. Doesn't mean you can't be. Loads of guys swear by miata's. Not for me either. I want to soend my days in 911's (Yes multiple) and learning everything there is to know abouthow to control them, and slide them and do all sorts of things in them. I just love them. I don't get the same thrill from a cayman. Thats it. Its probably a lovely car and the best in its price bracket. I don't care, and I don't want one. By all means I hope they build an UBER one that crushes all. But they are far from it. You would know better than I how many different 911's have lapped faster than the GT4. That is my answer. The cayman is slower, and not of interest to me. I'm pretty sure there is a cayman board here, which I never visit, I am here for 911's. The ring has twisties and corners. The cayman does not land on top. End of storey.
Yes GROUNDHOG (Mario And.) I drive at DE events. And private track days. And The Skid Pan frequently. And Happy laps, and cars and Coffee and the drag strip, and through the Canyons and on country drivemaster days.
I do it all. But of course what I don't do is professionally race it with Professional race car race.
Of course you see more caymans out there they are half the price. The starting price of a 911 here is $300K. A loaded GTS is $350K. GT are over $400K. A GT2-RS is $770K. The mighty cayman is under $100K except the GT4 which is just over $200K. Yes we get well and truely bent over with tax. The cayman is cheap. I get it.
I have one last thing to add and I am done. If we assume that the drivers that set laps at the ring are driving all of the cars at 10/10's. Then how far down the list is the Cayman GT4? Quite a long way. Until they build one that can take down a GT2-RS at the ring, I am not interested in them at all. Doesn't mean you can't be. Loads of guys swear by miata's. Not for me either. I want to soend my days in 911's (Yes multiple) and learning everything there is to know abouthow to control them, and slide them and do all sorts of things in them. I just love them. I don't get the same thrill from a cayman. Thats it. Its probably a lovely car and the best in its price bracket. I don't care, and I don't want one. By all means I hope they build an UBER one that crushes all. But they are far from it. You would know better than I how many different 911's have lapped faster than the GT4. That is my answer. The cayman is slower, and not of interest to me. I'm pretty sure there is a cayman board here, which I never visit, I am here for 911's. The ring has twisties and corners. The cayman does not land on top. End of storey.
Get a half cage put in your GTS - enter Targa Tasmania - let us know how it goes for you. Test yourself and your car for real and then share your new found knowledge. Perhaps ask Jim. R what he thinks about the GT4 while you're at it
If you wanted the fastest Porsche why didn't you buy a GT2 RS, GT3 RS, GT3?
Last edited by groundhog; 06-26-2018 at 12:20 AM.
06-26-2018, 01:44 AM
#93
06-26-2018, 02:41 AM
#94
Whatever you do, just let the rest of us know what HPDE event you’re planning to do said unsanctioned racing with your buddy when it’s “on like donkey kong” so we can make sure we’re somewhere else.
06-26-2018, 02:48 AM
#95
06-26-2018, 02:59 AM
#96
Well I watched plenty of Ducktales as a kid but is there a Character trait of Dewey here that you’re referencing as opposed to Huey and Louie that I’m missing? I never remember there being a recognizable difference between the three.
Edit: lol also it looks like I got the threads confused. I blame the vino. If they didn’t want us to get threads mixed up they wouldn’t make it so tasty.
Edit: lol also it looks like I got the threads confused. I blame the vino. If they didn’t want us to get threads mixed up they wouldn’t make it so tasty.
06-26-2018, 03:04 AM
#97
Yes, you miss a lot. As someones sig reads, "The only thing worse than being BLIND is seeing with no imagination. I even spelt it incorrectly for you DEWInator or DEWI (Duey) for short.
06-26-2018, 03:11 AM
#98
06-26-2018, 05:25 AM
#99
You did - you told the forum your first Porsche was your current 991 Series 2 GTS and that you had come from a back ground of modded M3's .................
As I suggested, go do Targa Tasmania in your 911 - ask Jim Richards if he thinks the Cayman is slow - then tell us what you learned from that experience.
It'll open your eyes to reality - specifically that a Cayman at full ham is a great piece of kit and not in the least bit slow.
- you told the forum your first Porsche was your current 991 Series 2 GTS and that you had come from a back ground of modded M3's .................As I suggested, go do Targa Tasmania in your 911 - ask Jim Richards if he thinks the Cayman is slow - then tell us what you learned from that experience.
It'll open your eyes to reality - specifically that a Cayman at full ham is a great piece of kit and not in the least bit slow.
Last edited by groundhog; 06-26-2018 at 09:14 AM.
06-26-2018, 09:33 AM
#101
The whole “Caymans are inferior” bit is getting old. I’m in love with my 911 and I still won’t for a second claim that a 911 is a superior drivers car than a Cayman. Better in many ways, more panache, yes, Porsche engineered and positioned it that way. More comfortable, roomy, etc. But it doesn’t snake around corners like a Cayman. And Cayman S’s are always close in performance to base 911’s. As I mentioned before, the 718 S puts up basically identical acceleration times to a 991.2 base.
I don’t care if it has 250 HP. It’s a more fun platform and car than a 911 (go-kart-ish in comparison). The 911 is more exhilarating and capable to REALLY push near its limit, but under that, the Cayman is a more fun platform to toss around at reasonable speeds.
If it wasn’t for that emotionless and imo horrendous sounding monotone 4 cylinder, I would have likely gotten a 718. The 981 GTS is probably my favorite Porsche sports car. I would’ve gotten that, but as a lifelong 911 fanatic, the 911 experience just lured me in.
I don’t care if it has 250 HP. It’s a more fun platform and car than a 911 (go-kart-ish in comparison). The 911 is more exhilarating and capable to REALLY push near its limit, but under that, the Cayman is a more fun platform to toss around at reasonable speeds.
If it wasn’t for that emotionless and imo horrendous sounding monotone 4 cylinder, I would have likely gotten a 718. The 981 GTS is probably my favorite Porsche sports car. I would’ve gotten that, but as a lifelong 911 fanatic, the 911 experience just lured me in.
06-26-2018, 11:39 AM
#104
Rennlist Member
If it wasn’t for that emotionless and imo horrendous sounding monotone 4 cylinder, I would have likely gotten a 718
06-26-2018, 01:19 PM
#105
Three Wheelin'
Thread Starter
Agreed.
They need to give us a Cayman we can all love again.
I mentioned above that I have been pondering other brands because there is no new Cayman that stirs the soul.
My 991.2 GTS is a great car but I enjoy driving my beloved 12 year old Cayman S more. That shouldn't make sense to Porsche, but that is what they are feeding us.
I need to start test driving the other cars.
They need to give us a Cayman we can all love again.
I mentioned above that I have been pondering other brands because there is no new Cayman that stirs the soul.
My 991.2 GTS is a great car but I enjoy driving my beloved 12 year old Cayman S more. That shouldn't make sense to Porsche, but that is what they are feeding us.
I need to start test driving the other cars.