kobyh15

It’s interesting to hear your thoughts as my premonition is the same as yours. It definitely seems that the 50th kind of seems like the grand tourer between it and the T. And I would definitely prefer the more athletic car. I may just have to try to drive them back to back if possible. Good to have choices.

Alc

Huh, until I looked at that link above of the 50th I hadn’t put together there are more 50th out there then Carrera Ts.

lamacan

indeed. also, i think the 50th is already in "collector" territory, but it seems arbitrary to me. it's a .1 GTS with retro bits and bobs on it and a couple of PTS choices as standard options. it's effectively the same marketing model as a T, but in a different vein. i also think because it's already delving into collector territory, i personally was concerned i'd be too shy/cautious about being rough on her, whereas i feel the T is made for just shredding on. i unabashedly thrash on it every single time i drive it... and i love it, because that's what it's made for. plus, i then get to get into my macan s which feels like a rolls royce ghost compared to the T. lol.

Das14444

Someone mentioned the 50th as a collector because its the last NA motor car. But its not...porsche continues to make a NA motor.

The 993 became a “last of” when porsche went all in on water cooled motors. No more air cooled, end of the line. Im not sure the same is true of the 991.1 since porsche is still producing NA motors. Am I wrong?

I’ve seen the T talked about as the last narrow body, last with analog gauges, or even door handles. Yes, but feels like a stretch. The end of the air cooled motor was significant - these all feel like smaller changes.

50th and T are special cars, love them both. I just question collectibility base on some of the “last of” thoughts.

polobai

Agree with you here on the T-don’t buy them to collect, buy them to drive! I do believe the 50th is more of a “one off” car than the T. For me it would be a tough choice between a 991 50th (manual) vs a 911 t (manual) but would probably go with the t due to the upgraded infotainment, back up camera and ability to tune and make gigs of power.

lamacan

T is unlikely to be collectible. 50th already is....but i disagree with it's status as such.

BlackOptic

That's funny. My Audi RS5 is a zippy/sporty car... but it feels like a Rolls Royce Ghost when I get out of my 911T and get into my Audi RS5.

Das14444

I think the T becomes collectable if they do not make a 992 T. If its just a 2 year run under 1,000 produced in north america. And if in years to come people start to really view it like a clubsport or RS america. I remember when I could get a mint RS america for $30k! Now that car is north of $100k for a clean example.

kobyh15

I understand what you’re saying and you’re correct. But I think we were speaking of the last NA non-GT cars. Which I think is a “last of” category. In terms of collectibility I don’t know that it will matter. And I’m not particularly worried about it. Whatever I were to purchase would get driven just like my 993 does, which is 3 or so days a week depending on work hours. But I ultimately agree that any 991 would be a fantastic modern driver’s car, which is what all of us are really looking for in the end anyway. I appreciate all of the feedback. It has been very useful.

smiles11

Collectible in terms of the "T" in general? Or the manual T's?

ducktails

Collectability IMO is only really a factor if you're buying a car near the bottom of its depreciation curve that no-one else appreciates, and it is likely to (financially) appreciate again in the near future - e.g. some people are talking about 986 base boxsters in this way for some reason. Or, if there is short-term supply-limited "flipper mania" like with modern GT cars a few years back. In 2050 a clean, low mile manual T might be a real find, but anyone buying a new T to park and hold for 20-30 years in the hope it will yield a profit is going to miss out on a lot of fun driving in the meantime!

lamacan

this is the most important thing.

S S

More info concerning the early conjecture that the 992 T, if there is such a thing, will get that sweet NA lump:

https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/911/20...s-manuals-stay

Nope.

Drive ‘em!

ß

Jeahbladejeah

And then there’s this:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/33529/...ngines-in-2026

Seems like conflicting information. Or they simply haven’t figured out what to do next.

S S

Could (NA for certain market segments post 2026...) is very different than will not (NA for 992 and beyond)...

‘The 4-litre engine in the GTS can’t be rotated through 180 degrees to fit in the 911. We will not see them again (naturally aspirated engines in the Carrera models). I’m sorry about that.

‘The R&D costs are too high to develop such an engine for the Carrera. And producing individual engines for different markets such as China, the US and Europe isn’t viable. The Carrera will always be turbocharged for the future.’

vice...

"At the moment, we only see a turbo solution. Naturally aspirated, not really,” he laments

"Now maybe you are in the right part of the world, in Australia. This is a European solution. It [natural aspiration] could work in other parts of the world, as Australia is close to the US regulations that could work in the future."

So could we still have a naturally aspirated engine?

"Technically, yes. If you offered something different, but this is market size, investment, volume, you know. There will come a day, within the next 10 years, when we have to say 'Now this is the last of its kind."

That sounds very much like the death knell for natural aspiration. That affects how the 911 would appear in future, and redefines its essence. Where would the 911 go if Walliser had a clean sheet of paper to work with?

"Maybe I would do it a little more sporty than the 992. If I had a wish, I would make it maybe smaller."

Wouldn't we all, me bru!

KEEP drivin' 'em.

SS