BGB Motorsports

Consider yourself grandfathered in! Other than power mods, everything else for the 991.1 is applicable and I will be sure to identify anything specific to either generation car. It's about to shift to a much more track oriented discussion anyway. The brakes and suspension are the same; it's a shame the rear wing on the 991.1 didn't make it to the 991.2.

Whoa whoa whoa...those are my people we are talking about. Let's stay on topic!

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erko1905

I think if you have a car that sees track duty, for any kind of real work (ie something that's beyond reading OBD2 codes and just replacing stuff randomly until the problem is fixed) you're better off not going to any dealer. I really don't think the service departments know what they're doing.

I had an issue w my suspension geometry where with aftermarket control arms, the left front axle wasn't staying in place, unsealing the diff box. Thinking the retainer ring on the axle might be broken, I took the car to an unnamed NJ dealer, car still under CPO. What they told me was basically numerous suspension parts, wheel carriers, steering knuckles, you name it a bunch of random parts were cracked/broken due to the control arms, and they had to replace literally the whole front end, I think it was a 8-9k parts plus labor bill.

Have I not gotten under the car to see the front end myself, I guess I could've believed them but trying to replace the right side when the problem was only on the left, I think that still would've been suspicious. Anyways, long story short, I used my own brain and fixed the geometry instead w camber plates, and everything's been fine ever since. Something like a 500 dollar part plus minimal labor as opposed to 8k+.

In hindsight, we should've thought out the suspension more throughly ourselves but the dealer definitely had zero know-how, and whenever they see a car they don't understand or feel like they can get away with it, they'll just replace random parts and charge you ridiculous labor hours so apart from an oil change or something I try to stay away.

erko1905

My reference to the GT4 was more about them having a best lap times thread - having said that, track is a humbling place so I'd never say a GT4 is slow - hell I wouldn't even say 986 Boxsters are slow, some of those SPB guys could hunt you down.

I also don't remember getting passed by a 3.0 .2 on track this season but hey that's just my experience.

flsupraguy

It's really sad and dumb business practice by the dealers around here. I'm in my 30's and own a few exotics. I dont want any special favors, I just want to be treated fairly. I guess that's too much to ask? I have (hopefully) 30 plus more years buying high end cars, guess I'll continue to shop out of the local area when the need arises.... Btw, saw your car at Vortex and it looks great. I really love that color in person.

4 Point 0

92nd .Porsche Cayman GT4 (981)Christian Gebhardt 7:42.00
32nd .Porsche 911 Carrera GTSChristian Gebhardt 7:23.77

Same driver - Same track. 60 places apart. The Ring. I counted 23 Different 911's that were faster than the GT4. I have never seen a GT4 King of the ring? I have seen 911's do it though.

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groundhog

Agreed, and my local dealership does support a basic motorsports program (driver training to entry level stuff). Also my dealer works closely with a private provider that has a very long history with Porsche and motorsport and supports cars in events all over the country. Thus if its motorsport related I go to private provider and if its warranty or Porsche new knowledge specific I go to the dealer.

A key point I would make is, and particularly when working with Indys is it's important for the owner of the car to understand what he or she is doing and the ramifications of those actions e.g. wholesale modding. Perhaps most importantly its up to the owner to be realistic about their skill level and and what they are trying to achieve e.g. win a series, simply be competitive or have fun in a safe (relatively) environment.

In my view, particularly with Porsche a piecewise approach followed by testing leads to the best outcomes. In that regard my car (outside of safety) is very mildly warmed over e.g. pads, fluids and tires, alignment and yet it remains highly competitive.

BGB Motorsports

In a few days I will release pics, etc. I'm going to keep it close to the vest because the last time I did, everyone took part numbers and shopped it to local dealerships and to my vendors. Please bear with me for a minute til I can finish the package.

Thank you.

John

flsupraguy

Hey John, that is completely understandable. Hopefully others will see value in the time you have taken and go through you when the need arises for them to upgrade their brakes.

BGB Motorsports

I'm starting to get really excited. This car is finally getting the love it deserves on the lift in the shop; the shocks are off, the intercoolers are off, the radiators are off and we hope to have the suspension, done today. We are missing 1 single piece from H&R but it's inbound. I'm also giving it a bath while it's naked!

As for the brake discussion, i have cooling mods i am making and i plan to approach the brake package in 2 different directions. What is the consensus from you guys about rotor diameter up front? Would you rather see a 380mm package for the front OR if i can make the 350mm work without fatigue, is that sufficient? The problem is that if you want 380mm you need our kit that has the retrofitted 997.2 GT3 front calipers. Our existing kit allows you to retrofit that 6-piston caliper to the 991/981 and 997/987 upright and it comes with the most well developed brake assembly up front in the land BUT to get 380mm you need to change calipers. I am going to first see if my cooling improvements, fluid and pads make the 350mm stuff live at Texas. What do you guys prefer? Do we not care about price and we want 380mm at any cost?

flsupraguy

380 purely for bragging rights lol!

slvr993

I think it's worth seeing if the 350mm set up with standard S/GTS calipers can work. If not than on to the 380! but it would be good to know if the 350 will work well or not.
Any concerns with the 380 up front changing brake balance? Whats the all -in ball park number for the BGB 380 conversion with the calipers?? I'll be modding a T so I need new fronts no matter what.

Thanks
Jeff

erko1905

350 Giros w regular S calipers work pretty well for me but I've never tested in extreme heat.

arter

+1

So would be interested in both options. 350 so lower cost and 380 for higher ultimate capability