New 911 Carrera T: a completely pointless marketing exercise
10-25-2017, 12:21 AM
#286
Did you just compare your 3.0 370 to a Turbo and GT2? 
But since you asked, yes, the Turbo is often said to be more clinical compared to a .1 GTS or naturally aspirated GT3 or R, even with its massive power advantage. It also doesn’t sound as good as an N/A imo, and that’s with a 3.8.
And you really think decibels alone determine what makes for a more visceral and soulful sound?
Oh, sticky.
But since you asked, yes, the Turbo is often said to be more clinical compared to a .1 GTS or naturally aspirated GT3 or R, even with its massive power advantage. It also doesn’t sound as good as an N/A imo, and that’s with a 3.8.
And you really think decibels alone determine what makes for a more visceral and soulful sound?
Oh, sticky.
Porsche is producing the 991.2 GT2 RS to make the most clinical 911 of all time. The Nurburgring lap record was set by a robot actually.
I listed several other factors but it seems those who want to bury their heads in the sand just want to ignore them.
Thanks so much for the 991.1 posts.
10-25-2017, 12:33 AM
#288
Why not? We all know the moment you put turbos on a 911 it becomes lifeless.
Porsche is producing the 991.2 GT2 RS to make the most clinical 911 of all time. The Nurburgring lap record was set by a robot actually.
I listed several other factors but it seems those who want to bury their heads in the sand just want to ignore them.
Thanks so much for the 991.1 posts.
Porsche is producing the 991.2 GT2 RS to make the most clinical 911 of all time. The Nurburgring lap record was set by a robot actually.
I listed several other factors but it seems those who want to bury their heads in the sand just want to ignore them.
Thanks so much for the 991.1 posts.
Look, this is how it goes in 911 circles. Porsche want to release a “purist drivers 911” with a muffled, nondescript whistling fart can, you’re gonna hear about N/A comparisons. It’ll go on for eternity. Welcome to the club. Water cooled N/A cars have dealt with this for decades from air cooled guys.
But despite the emotive setbacks, your .2 is a phenomenal car, and the Carrera T even more phenomenal. And even with a mass produced 3.0 turbo, said T may very well be a collectors model in the future. So don’t cry, dry your eye. Go find another .1 to rev your whipit at, and go all Dominic Toretto on him when the light goes green, just be sure not to hit the minivan at 12 o’clock. It’ll make ya feel better.
10-25-2017, 12:35 AM
#289
I was excited to hear about this spec and the possibility of buckets in a fairly base 911. Would make the perfect nice weather, date night, and track car for me. Then read you can't turn TC completely off, is that accurate? Deal breaker if so.
10-25-2017, 12:38 AM
#290
your .2 370 rocket launcher has far more in common with a .1 base than it does a GT2. Sorry. Although your car sounds significantly worse than both.
Look, this is how it goes in 911 circles. Porsche want to release a “purist drivers 911” with a muffled, nondescript whistling fart can, you’re gonna hear about N/A comparisons. It’ll go on for eternity. Welcome to the club. Water cooled N/A cars have dealt with this for decades from air cooled guys.
But despite the emotive setbacks, your .2 is a phenomenal car, and the Carrera T even more phenomenal. And even with a mass produced 3.0 turbo, said T may very well be a collectors model in the future. So don’t cry, dry your eye. Go find another .1 to rev your whipit at, and go all Dominic Toretto on him when the light goes green, just be sure not to hit the minivan at 12 o’clock. It’ll make ya feel better.
Look, this is how it goes in 911 circles. Porsche want to release a “purist drivers 911” with a muffled, nondescript whistling fart can, you’re gonna hear about N/A comparisons. It’ll go on for eternity. Welcome to the club. Water cooled N/A cars have dealt with this for decades from air cooled guys.
But despite the emotive setbacks, your .2 is a phenomenal car, and the Carrera T even more phenomenal. And even with a mass produced 3.0 turbo, said T may very well be a collectors model in the future. So don’t cry, dry your eye. Go find another .1 to rev your whipit at, and go all Dominic Toretto on him when the light goes green, just be sure not to hit the minivan at 12 o’clock. It’ll make ya feel better.
The odd thing is, nobody thinks that. Well, nobody every said a GT2 was boring to drive compared to a naturally aspirated Carrera but the opposite.
I mean, why didn't GT2 buyers get 991.1 3.4's instead and revel in the supposed glory that is that motor revving?
Porsche has a long history of emotionally involving turbocharged 911's that also are performance champions of the 911 range. The only people who want to convince you otherwise are 991.1 owners.
10-25-2017, 12:43 AM
#291
Rennlist Member
This whole conversation has gotten caustic in the past half hour. So here is a video of a mechanical symphony. Keep in mind that the engine making it displaces 1.5L.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umO3iqac_4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umO3iqac_4c
I'll just leave this here...skip to 0:41 or so.
10-25-2017, 12:45 AM
#292
I guess the premise of a RWD turbocharged 911 not being lifeless and clinical just because it is turbocharged flew over your head.
The odd thing is, nobody thinks that. Well, nobody every said a GT2 was boring to drive compared to a naturally aspirated Carrera but the opposite.
I mean, why didn't GT2 buyers get 991.1 3.4's instead and revel in the supposed glory that is that motor revving?
Porsche has a long history of emotionally involving turbocharged 911's that also are performance champions of the 911 range. The only people who want to convince you otherwise are 991.1 owners.
The odd thing is, nobody thinks that. Well, nobody every said a GT2 was boring to drive compared to a naturally aspirated Carrera but the opposite.
I mean, why didn't GT2 buyers get 991.1 3.4's instead and revel in the supposed glory that is that motor revving?
Porsche has a long history of emotionally involving turbocharged 911's that also are performance champions of the 911 range. The only people who want to convince you otherwise are 991.1 owners.
Turbo flat sixes are performance animals. An art in movement. But if the only way to make it properly visceral and emotivelly riveting compared to the best 911 N/A models in a soulful sense is by turning it into a 700+ HP race car, well.... then that further proves my point.
10-25-2017, 12:57 AM
#295
Haha. Amigo, chief, paisan. Your car is no GT2. Nothing like a GT2. What’s dogged the Turbo (clinical, some say soulless, muffled sound) has more relevance to you, and even that is in a different realm to what you start up with that glorious left sided key every day.
Turbo flat sixes are performance animals. An art in movement. But if the only way to make it properly visceral and emotivelly riveting compared to the best 911 N/A models in a soulful sense is by turning it into a 700+ HP race car, well.... then that further proves my point.
Turbo flat sixes are performance animals. An art in movement. But if the only way to make it properly visceral and emotivelly riveting compared to the best 911 N/A models in a soulful sense is by turning it into a 700+ HP race car, well.... then that further proves my point.
I see plenty more similarities between the 911 T and the GT2 than any 991.1 Carrera and a GT2.
You guys claim engine sound is the reason but the 9A2 revs higher than any GT2. Aren't high revs supposedly one of the selling points?
The 911T is lighter than the 997 GT2 too.
I think what we have established is that you and the other 991.1 apologists are hypocrites.
10-25-2017, 01:02 AM
#296
Drifting
This whole conversation has gotten caustic in the past half hour. So here is a video of a mechanical symphony. Keep in mind that the engine making it displaces 1.5L.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umO3iqac_4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umO3iqac_4c
10-25-2017, 01:05 AM
#297
The 991.2 is a better car in every objective way than the 991.1. But the 991.1 is more fun to drive. Just like my 991.1 is a better car in every objective way than my 360. But the 360 is more fun to drive.
10-25-2017, 01:09 AM
#298
The objective points all favor the 991.2 as you admit.
I say the 991.2 is more fun, has better steering, better handling, and that the torque only adds to the excitement.
The 991.2 is more fun to drive. The 911 T even more so.
10-25-2017, 01:12 AM
#299
Rennlist Member
They're all good cars. You guys are nuts 
The only car that is an absolute abomination and disappointment is the 718. I test drove one and it sounded like my Golf R.
I'd absolutely take any 911.2 911 over any other sports car from any other car brand. I just prefer the 991.1 sound, so that's where I went.
But it's like a 1A/1B sort of thing.
The only car that is an absolute abomination and disappointment is the 718. I test drove one and it sounded like my Golf R.
I'd absolutely take any 911.2 911 over any other sports car from any other car brand. I just prefer the 991.1 sound, so that's where I went.
But it's like a 1A/1B sort of thing.
10-25-2017, 01:17 AM
#300
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IMO the base 991.2 and the T are the best 'base' Carrera's they have made in a long time. None of the Turbo engines are going to sound as good as the NA's but the value proposition and technical mastery of the 991.2 car is undeniable. If I had a choice between a base or S model 991.1 and 991.2 base or T no question I would take a 991.2. The cherry on top is that the base 991.2 is as fast if not faster than 991.1 S model in day to day driving.