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This is a shorter and very technical track (Atlanta Motorsports Park). Little rest with lots of elevation changes.
I found a second set of wheels / tires I'm purchasing that has brand new PS4S's on them with only about 100 miles on them.
So I may still put Cup 2's on my Silver / Gray set, in the event weather conditions allow. Odds are, it'll be still a bit cooler and possibly some wet stuff, so PS4S's might be the key.
Here's a vid of some laps at the track. The 2nd half of the vid, the camera car gets going into the high 20's for lap times. This is NOT a high hp track.
1. I believe your .2 has two levels of PSM defeat, where the .1 has one. Play with laps both with and without PSM. Also, again on the 996 Turbo, keeping PSM on can cause excessive wear on the brake pads, particularly the rear brakes. Not sure if this is an issue on the 991 Turbos as well, but be aware.
2. On the subject of brakes, the ceramic rotors as you know are extremely expensive to replace. It's been suggested that it is highly important to make sure you have good pad thickness before a track day to help prevent excess damage to the rotors. On my previous cars, I would just eyeball pad thickness and look for, as a rule of thumb, pad thickness as least as much as the backing plate. With the ceramic rotors, I picked up an inexpensive pad thickness gauge to more accurately keep track of thickness. I'd suggest you check before every track day!
-If there's two levels, I need to research how to work them "both". I just have the one button.
-Yeah, I've always heard to change pads at 50% left on PCCB's.
I don't foresee me getting to do very many track days anyway. This is just a one time thing for now. Doubt I'll get a chance or have the funds to do many for a while.
-If there's two levels, I need to research how to work them "both". I just have the one button.
I think a short press puts the PSM in a more aggressive mode, and a press-hold turns it off more completely. Don't now if it will kick back on under certain circumstances like it does in the 996 Turbo.
I think the two PSM modes (three really with normal) are mentioned in the owners manual.
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OK, this article isn't exactly concisely written, but it does get the point across.... eventually.
As I read it, it seems with the 991.1 and sport chrono, engaging sport+ would also engage Sport PSM mode, and pressing the PSM button would turn the PSM off.
With the 991.2, it seems like they have decoupled Sport PSM from Sport +, and you engage Sport PSM with a quick press of the PSM button, and completely turn it off with a long press. This allows you to run Sport+ with full PSM (instead of PSM Sport) if you want to, and run PSM Sport mode without being in Sport +.
Taking it to the limit, safely and surely: The new Sport mode in Porsche Stability Management helps ambitious Porsche drivers reach the very limits of vehicle control—and the pinnacle of driving pleasure.
The red 911 Turbo S approaches the left-hand curve with sheer ferocity. Only at the last instant do the ceramic brakes kick in to powerfully decelerate it. The steering impulse is hard, even ruthless—experienced 911 race-car drivers would know that this is too much of a good thing. There’s nothing to keep the rear end from fishtailing now except for Porsche Stability Management (PSM). Normally, that is. The new PSM Sport mode, however, takes no drastic action. Yet the rear of the car does not turn out. Instead, the 580-hp all-wheel sports car seemingly dances into harmless, controlled oversteering. The maneuver looks absolutely controllable—not to mention very fast—much to the delight of Vanina Ickx and Philipp Peglau.
Ickx has the powerful 911 firmly under control. The petite native of Belgium is one of the greats at the wheel. Her talent clearly runs in the family: Vanina Ickx’s father Jacky, for instance, won eight Grands Prix in his Formula One career. His name is even more hallowed in connection with the 24 Hours of Le Mans, where he took the overall title six times, four of them in a Porsche. His daughter Vanina has entered Le Mans seven times, in a 911 GT3 RS as well as at the wheel of various thoroughbred prototypes. She also spent two years as a factory driver in the German Touring Car Masters (DTM).
Taking a 911 Turbo S to the limit is a special experience
Ickx flashes a brilliant smile as she lets the Porsche slowly coast to a stop. It’s a cold spring day here in Hockenheim at the driving safety center in the middle of the Grand Prix racing circuit, and one might be tempted to warm one’s hands on the wheels of the car. Ickx herself seems to have been warmed just by the drive—taking a 911 Turbo S to the limit is a special experience, even for a race-car driver. “It’s never a simple matter to exhaust the full potential of such a powerful sports car,” she says as her eyes sparkle. “The new PSM Sport gives nonprofessionals the chance to enjoy this great experience too—within a safe framework.” Philipp Peglau beams.
Peglau is a suspension engineer. He and his colleagues were responsible for developing the PSM Sport mode. They spent two and a half years on the project, clocking countless miles on all kinds of surfaces—dry, wet, icy, snow-covered—and on all manner of racetracks, including the Arctic Circle Raceway. They didn’t rest until every parameter was so finely adjusted that the results met Porsche’s high standards for all driving maneuvers. Since the introduction of the Macan GTS, the latest generation of the 911, and the 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman, PSM Sport has been available to customers as part of the Sport Chrono Package.
Developer Philipp Peglau discusses driving dynamics with Vanina Ickx“PSM Sport is not a drift mode,” says Peglau (42). The electronics do not take artificial measures to achieve and maintain a certain sideslip angle. “This would rob drivers of their feel for the car, and give them a false sense of security about their skills. PSM Sport by no means takes control of the car out of the hands of advanced drivers.”
PSM Sport sets in, without any additional sensor systems
According to Peglau, one of the greatest challenges at the limits of performance is the transition from stability to instability. Developers call this “yaw acceleration,” which refers to the strength of the impulse that leads to oversteering. If this impulse is too strong, it’s hard to get the car back under control. And it’s precisely at this point that PSM Sport sets in, without any additional sensor systems. “We haven’t just simply raised the control thresholds,” explains Peglau. “What we’ve done instead is dampen the initial yaw acceleration. This allows us to create a gentler transition. As soon as the system recognizes that the driver has everything under control, it allows for greater freedom—the threshold values for traction control are raised and the PSM’s interventions in braking for stability are toned down. This approach turns stability control into instability control, so to speak, without distorting the basic character of the car.”
Porsche had previously offered an intermediate stage between activated and deactivated PSM as part of its Sport Chrono Package. This mode was part of the Sport Plus system. As Peglau explains, “With the old PSM Sport mode, we wanted to give customers more freedom in the area of performance-oriented driving. Because the PSM light wasn’t on, the full PSM safety support remained. But we envisioned a more nuanced solution. We wanted to give drivers a greater degree of freedom on all surfaces—including roads in rain or snow—and a larger sideslip angle.”
Driving at performance limits
The aim was to enable drivers to experience the extraordinary driving dynamics of a Porsche under safe conditions—specifically, on closed racing circuits or training grounds. “Even when PSM mode is on, the control system only sets in when you reach the limits of stability,” says Peglau. “But on bumpy roads or sequences of curves, such as those on the Nordschleife of the Nürburgring, PSM-on mode can lower the vehicle’s potential performance somewhat. By contrast, PSM Sport, like PSM-off mode, lets you drive your fastest lap. At the same time, its control strategy offers sports drivers a baseline level of support should they unwittingly seek to exceed the limits of physics in the pursuit of their fastest lap. For example, it reduces the necessary steering dynamics by means of gentle braking interventions.” Pressing the button briefly (even 0.3 seconds) will activate PSM Sport mode
At the same time, the safety net is spread considerably wider in the background. If the driver encounters difficulties and the brake pedal pressure exceeds the activation threshold of the anti-lock brake system, PSM switches back on, either more or less quickly depending on the preceding pressure. This “emergency anchoring” function is already similar to PSM-off mode. PSM Sport mode gradually approaches PSM-on mode from 62 to 93 mph. The only thing that can happen now, even at speeds above 93 mph, is an intervention by the traction control system, although this depends on the level of grip on the driving surface.
“We might also say that PSM Sport takes the driver by the hand and leads him carefully up to PSM-off mode, because that option continues to be available, of course,” says Peglau. But it should remain what it has always been: the most extreme means of choice for the very skilled. Such as Vanina Ickx in the 911 Turbo S. Could she imagine PSM Sport in a race car? “Why not?” she replies. “Traction control was a great help to us in certain situations in our Le Mans prototypes.”
With the 991.2, you engage Sport PSM with a quick press of the PSM button, and completely turn it off with a long press. This allows you to run Sport+ with full PSM (instead of PSM Sport) if you want to, and run PSM Sport mode without being in Sport +.
Can confirm this simple description is correct. Message comes up on the dash to be clear on which you are on. I found full PSM to be much too intrusive on the track, but the middle limited PSM mode was fine, at least for me as a track beginner.
Well it was yesterday, but I did my first Track event at Atlanta Motorsports Park with my buddy who's a Diamond Member there at has multiple cars (He chose to drive his GT2RS).
This was an early session with me still trying to find the feel of these PS4S's and what they can take while chasing him on Cup 2's. Not to mention he's got hundreds of laps there and a GT2RS..lol
I feel like a had a very decent pace by mid / end of day. I never had to give a "point by" to anyone except during a couple of tire warm up laps when first entering.
Lot's of traffic early on but we have some gaps...It was FUN!!!