McLaren Success
01-19-2021, 04:22 PM
#6091
I've bought 9 mclaren's. I've tracked all of them. I currently have 3 of them (senna/p1/600 LT). All except one was purchased from my local and servicing dealer.
I track frequently at tracks all around California. I, pretty much know the many mclaren owners who track their cars locally, around the country and worldwide (I have a lot of mclaren owners follow me on instagram). They do NOT do the track inspections each and every track day. However, they are knowledgeable or have other knowledgeable people look at their cars. They do not do 15 track days and then have someone examine their cars. The things that can go wrong with the cars would NOT be discovered in a track inspection. However, things that could go wrong that would have been discovered in a track inspection (normal tech sheet), then you could get in trouble if those specific things failed.
The track inspections cost more because they do a brake flush every time (not really required every time you do a track inspection but that is what they do).
It is true that they do monitor social media, car forums, etc., to determine modifications to a car (not tires/brakes) but rather, lowering your car, having oversized wheels, tunes, etc. This will get you in trouble with the warranty. They are not the only manufacture who does this (especially if a person is going to try to lemon a car)
Mclaren is the only manufacture that warranties each and every road car for track use. The others don't (porsche/lambo/ferrari). Ferrari and Lambo only warranty on the respective dealer or manufacture track days. Other manufactures only warranty track use for specific cars and not blanket all cars.
Manufactures are obviously interested when a part does fail. If it is something they don't see often then they want to know what they are dealing with (possible recalls, manufacture communications, etc.). If they start seeing one off's then they start digging to see why it may have failed in your specific car. If it is related to track use and you never had any track inspections or track inspections would have remedied the situation then you can expect to have issues. (nothing different then any other manufacture).
When something does go wrong then one of the first questions they ask the tech is whether has had track inspections. If you purchased your car from the servicing dealer then you will be on the right side of the decision.
Note: Many people who track Mclarens are not near a local dealer.
The cars do store a lot of data. Google mclaren owners handbook and it will state what type of data is stored and how it can be used. (I don't think this is any different than any other manufactures).
I track frequently at tracks all around California. I, pretty much know the many mclaren owners who track their cars locally, around the country and worldwide (I have a lot of mclaren owners follow me on instagram). They do NOT do the track inspections each and every track day. However, they are knowledgeable or have other knowledgeable people look at their cars. They do not do 15 track days and then have someone examine their cars. The things that can go wrong with the cars would NOT be discovered in a track inspection. However, things that could go wrong that would have been discovered in a track inspection (normal tech sheet), then you could get in trouble if those specific things failed.
The track inspections cost more because they do a brake flush every time (not really required every time you do a track inspection but that is what they do).
It is true that they do monitor social media, car forums, etc., to determine modifications to a car (not tires/brakes) but rather, lowering your car, having oversized wheels, tunes, etc. This will get you in trouble with the warranty. They are not the only manufacture who does this (especially if a person is going to try to lemon a car)
Mclaren is the only manufacture that warranties each and every road car for track use. The others don't (porsche/lambo/ferrari). Ferrari and Lambo only warranty on the respective dealer or manufacture track days. Other manufactures only warranty track use for specific cars and not blanket all cars.
Manufactures are obviously interested when a part does fail. If it is something they don't see often then they want to know what they are dealing with (possible recalls, manufacture communications, etc.). If they start seeing one off's then they start digging to see why it may have failed in your specific car. If it is related to track use and you never had any track inspections or track inspections would have remedied the situation then you can expect to have issues. (nothing different then any other manufacture).
When something does go wrong then one of the first questions they ask the tech is whether has had track inspections. If you purchased your car from the servicing dealer then you will be on the right side of the decision.
Note: Many people who track Mclarens are not near a local dealer.
The cars do store a lot of data. Google mclaren owners handbook and it will state what type of data is stored and how it can be used. (I don't think this is any different than any other manufactures).
But, I think people should be aware that Mac does monitor this stuff. I would never try and hide a tune, as I don't think that is honest, but I have no doubt there are some who would and might be surprised to learn that Mac already knows about it.
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01-19-2021, 05:04 PM
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Like literally not possible to drive "on the street, as if they were on the track" unless you just don't know how to really drive a car on a track. Which, of course, is always a possibility.
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AlexCeres (02-02-2021)
01-19-2021, 05:24 PM
#6093
Its nuts big corporations tracking our cars’ data to exclude warranty claims. I guess i am not surprised though
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01-19-2021, 07:10 PM
#6094
Personally, I can understand this. I think you tune at your own risk and bear the consequences if something goes wrong. My 600LT is tuned and if the engine fails I don't expect it to be covered.
But, I think people should be aware that Mac does monitor this stuff. I would never try and hide a tune, as I don't think that is honest, but I have no doubt there are some who would and might be surprised to learn that Mac already knows about it.
But, I think people should be aware that Mac does monitor this stuff. I would never try and hide a tune, as I don't think that is honest, but I have no doubt there are some who would and might be surprised to learn that Mac already knows about it.
I know a lot of stories (behind the complainers on car forums), and people who have had warranty issues. Unfortunately, people just do not heed the warnings of their dealer. I'd strongly suggest people have an open conversation with their service dealers BEFORE they consider modifications.
02-02-2021, 05:51 PM
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02-03-2021, 11:53 AM
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02-03-2021, 11:58 AM
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Yeah, crazy. I love the color of his car.
02-03-2021, 08:20 PM
#6099
C&D Lightning Lap 2021. Gotta say, as impressive as the 765LT is on track, I expected a bigger delta to the 720S. Lap time difference is less than 1% and the LT was on Trofeos, the 720S on Corsas. LT was 3 mph faster on the straight. I would have guessed 4-5 sec quicker and 8-10 mph faster before I saw the video. All the usual disclaimers apply of course...different day, maybe a different driver (although looks like the same guy in the two videos), maybe not optimum temps for the Trofeos. But I did expect more.
02-03-2021, 08:30 PM
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C&D Lightning Lap 2021. Gotta say, as impressive as the 765LT is on track, I expected a bigger delta to the 720S. Lap time difference is less than 1% and the LT was on Trofeos, the 720S on Corsas. LT was 3 mph faster on the straight. I would have guessed 4-5 sec quicker and 8-10 mph faster before I saw the video. All the usual disclaimers apply of course...different day, maybe a different driver (although looks like the same guy in the two videos), maybe not optimum temps for the Trofeos. But I did expect more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3muF...ature=emb_logo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3muF...ature=emb_logo
That said, I'm surprised the 765LT didn't beat the GT2 RS time.
Last edited by ipse dixit; 02-03-2021 at 08:33 PM.
02-03-2021, 08:37 PM
#6101
Only 3.3 miles? Yeah it's not the Ring, but that's pretty long as US tracks go, and as I pointed out, less than 1% difference in lap times. With all that extra power, Trofeos, lighter weight, better brakes, 15% shorter gearing, and track seats, I don't think 3-4% would be an outrageous delta. After all, the 720S is not considered to be a track-optimized model, and the LT of course is.
Last edited by Gary(SF); 02-03-2021 at 08:38 PM.
02-04-2021, 10:30 AM
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If you read the article on the lightning lap at VIR (disclaimer I read it pretty fast) for the 765LT, they said they wished they read the manual. There is a mode called VDC that if they turned it on would have minimized “drift” and would have improved the lap time. They didn’t speculate by exactly how much but said would have given them a crack at the Porsche time.
02-04-2021, 10:40 AM
#6103
Vdc is variable drift control and by default runs off, that means it doesnt allow drifting at all.
And with a bit if drifting/rotation the car should be faster...
The vdc was introduced on the 720s so nothing new and fancy here
And with a bit if drifting/rotation the car should be faster...
The vdc was introduced on the 720s so nothing new and fancy here
02-04-2021, 11:54 AM
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Nevertheless, I don't know how many laps a pro has to have around VIR to ring out every fraction of a second on the 765LT. I can't even imagine what it felt like.