unotaz

If we are using modern supercar as the interpretation, then the only 911 that will qualify is the GT2RS. The GT3RS is just too slow with insufficient horsepower.

But for me, a 911 is too common to be justified as a supercar. A 911 is just a sports car in my book. Supercar is for cars like F12 TDF, Ford GT, 458 Speciale, Aventador SVJ etc. Hypercar is for 918 Spyder, P1, LaFerrari, Senna, Project 1 etc.

Carrera GT and Enzo are also supercars, even though they have all carbon constructions, they are too slow to fit the definition of a hypercar.

While money is a factor in determining whether the car is a supercar or not, it’s not the most important factor. My 993 GT2 is plenty valuable, but it ain’t no supercar in my book.

unotaz

There is a much easier method to figure this out.

Park a Mclaren 720S and a 911 GT3RS next to each other. Ask a 5 years old kid which one looks cooler. That’s your answer.

Do the same thing with an Aventador SVJ and a 911 GT3RS parked next to each other. Ask the same thing. You will surprise to see how accurate the answer coming out of a 5 years old is actually reflecting the general population’s perception of a 911 as just a mere sports car.

RoyalPink

Sounds like conjecture to me.

Waxer

Yes. Your definition of exotic and your criteria. However, even by your criteria:
1. Exotic looks. Subjective.To my eyes 3RS and 2RS are exotic looking.
2. Rarity. They weren’t made in the 10s of thousands. Massed produced platform? Hmmm, that would disqualify most modern era Ferrari’s.
3. RSs I’m sure are expensive to service out of warranty.
4. Magnesium and carbon fiber are exotic materials in car production.

Nevertheless using common definitions of exotic cars they qualify also.




Or...

https://www.exoticcarlist.com/blog/t...oming-in-2018/

Point being what qualifies as an exotic car is pretty broad.

To me basically distills down to being above average in price, has a unique or special quality and takes more than normal effort to acquire when new and or used and you don’t see a lot of them in the wild.

Maverick787

I think many of you need to read the 1st post it was not a pro Mclaren post, but more of a new entrant post that’s gaining market share good or bad? They’re selling cars, and a 10 year old company is moving share off someone based on their product. I was not a fan, and listened to all the chatter and I said let me try it because I like cars .......I’ve had nothing but a good experience with the car and my dealer is fantastic. Also when I purchased they added a warranty, and my service appointments they meet me at the door and I get a 720S loaner. It’s a selling brand, and people are buying .....by the way I love my Porsche’s with zero complaints. I’m a car guy, and being a single brand guy you only see one brand you become blinded to what’s out there.

I do buy cars for appreciation not depreciation as a car is sunk cost for me to drive and enjoy/not collect. I hate to see what this thread has become as it was never intended Porsche vs Mclaren .....I get it it’s a Porsche site! But I own many brands, and thought it would be a good discussion with mature owners clearly not the case. But I will say it’s been a 3 year conversation, and we all should be car guys to chat about what’s out there. The question I think for many owners is a 911 a 300k car NO, and that’s what it has become because of drama, and ADM. Many have paid 100K to 200K for GT2RS, GT3RS, and Speedster’s all now at MSRP or below?? Now many want to trade for the GT3RS 2022 that’s not even out for minimal performance? Let’s all be honest it’s not about performance but the new Porsche .......I’ve had many Porsche’s and my 675LT makes me say of sh@t this is fun. Don’t care about depreciation because my 51 year old body is not worth my 41 year old body, and when I die my kids will have more crap than than they use or spend so please stop with depreciation (:

Yippiekiaye

I tried to like the GT. I really did. I just don’t see the purpose of the car. They advertise trunk space and a daily driver but I just don’t see how it’s different from a 570 GT. The Pacific Blue is very nice but regardless- that car has been a flop for mclaren.

I guess from a “regular car” we have the 765 coupe and spider and then the 570 replacement but not sure Mclaren can survive in that.

RoyalPink

2021 is a new car year for me so I decided on the AMG GT Black Series as I had a GTR prior. My MB dealer is a 5-minute drive from my house. If I had a McLaren dealer 5 minutes from my house instead of 400 miles. I'd probably have gone for a 765 LT. Being in relative close proximity to a servicing dealer I'd venture to say is an important factor for most on here. I'm still surprised by the fact there is no McLaren dealer in Vegas which is 105 miles south of me.

Yippiekiaye

I had heard they are opening a Mclaren dealership in Vegas. The closest one to you is probably the one in Scottsdale.

RoyalPink

I've heard that as well but who really knows for sure. Would be great if they do.

horns

It's kinda funny that people that own millions of dollars worth of cars are arguing over what is a supercar. I'm not going to dive into those waters, but in what sense is a GT3RS too slow? I have to think a lot more emphasis is being placed on roll racing speed than road course speed..

Yippiekiaye

I don’t think anyone is saying the 3rs is in and of itself slow. But compared to some of the aforementioned super cars, it’s relatively slow. Doesn’t make it a bad car by any means. It’s a spectacular piece of machine.

RoyalPink

Anyone who says a GT3 RS is slow is talking gibberish - just my opinion.

AllAboutThatP

Definitely some truth there. When I asked my kids (all under teen age still) which car they liked better, they all said the 600LT, without hesitation. That being said, I think the GT3RS is a beautiful car. It’s not as exotic looking as the Mac, but beautiful in a more sophisticated, timeless way.

The 918 is probably one of the most gorgeous cars ever made IMO. I’m jealous of yours.

Guest89

The purpose of the GT - in my opinion - was to build another model line out of McLaren’s basic building blocks.

The problem, based on commentary, is that the car is neither fish nor fowl: It is the least sportive McLaren (who wants to buy the least sporty car from a company that only makes “supercars” - ?) but cannot with a straight face be called a “Grand Tourer” in the modern conception of the term because it falls short of offerings from Ferrari, Aston Martin, Bentley, Merc, BMW, etc. in that category. The niche is too thin.

Regardless, I like the looks of the GT and suspect it is an excellent road car.

The “I know it when I see it” definition is the most accurate description in my opinion; there are a multitude of opinions in this thread about what constitutes a “supercar” or “hypercar,” and there is considerable debate about whether any 911 variant qualifies - a few observations:

Most (all?) participants in this thread own or have owned a 911, and probably a rare, more expensive, more sporting version vs. the most commonly seen variants (i.e., GTx cars); the fact that there is significant debate over whether or not any 911 is a supercar indicates that it probably is not a supercar

Some don’t care whether or not their / any 911 is a supercar, in particular those contributors who own vehicles whose supercar bona fides are not in doubt - wonder why?

I don’t think that there’s any debate that all McLarens are supercars (notwithstanding the fact that McLaren themselves call the “entry-level” cars Sport Series!)

nolocontendere

It is slow (acceleration wise) compared to a 675LT. Don’t get me wrong, the Gt3rs is great in its own right, but my 675LT is an absolute rocket ship, even as a spider which makes it even better