OT: AMG GT R
12-10-2016, 11:28 PM
#77
Nordschleife Master
The steering in the RS is pretty damn good if you ask me.
The AMG doesn't do it for me. I'd have to drive one but it would really have to knock my socks off to pull me away from the RS.
The AMG doesn't do it for me. I'd have to drive one but it would really have to knock my socks off to pull me away from the RS.
12-11-2016, 09:43 AM
#78
Nordschleife Master
Easy: Much cheaper, better fuel economy, and more reliable. Even one of those would have been enough for cheap Porsche to switch
. The good news is the newest rack is reportedly (never owned a Porsche before my 2016) as good as any hydraulic unit.. and it feels that way to me.
. The good news is the newest rack is reportedly (never owned a Porsche before my 2016) as good as any hydraulic unit.. and it feels that way to me.Companies are switching to electric power steering for fuel economy but also because it makes it easier to integrate the steering into the rest of the car. It goes together with the to electric throttle and electric parking brakes. Look at what Infiniti has done on their cars.
12-11-2016, 11:39 AM
#79
Race Director
Drove the 570S last month and thought the steering was very good but pretty equal to my GT4. But I also think the GT4 steering slightly better than my 991 GT3. Could be the mid-engine set-up or they are just getting better every year. But always wondered why they got away from Hydraulic because my 997.2 Turbo had the best steering feedback yet
12-11-2016, 04:05 PM
#80
Addict
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Anyone who thinks the current electric rack is as good as a great hydraulic rack should drive a 996 or 997 GT3. And as good as those racks are, they're not nearly as feelsome as the manual racks from all 911's up to 1989...
12-11-2016, 05:03 PM
#81
Race Director
Originally Posted by Jimmy-D
Drove the 570S last month and thought the steering was very good but pretty equal to my GT4. But I also think the GT4 steering slightly better than my 991 GT3. Could be the mid-engine set-up or they are just getting better every year. But always wondered why they got away from Hydraulic because my 997.2 Turbo had the best steering feedback yet
12-11-2016, 07:35 PM
#82
Drifting
Drove the 570S last month and thought the steering was very good but pretty equal to my GT4. But I also think the GT4 steering slightly better than my 991 GT3. Could be the mid-engine set-up or they are just getting better every year. But always wondered why they got away from Hydraulic because my 997.2 Turbo had the best steering feedback yet
There is a considerable difference between 997 and 991 GT3 feel and feedback IMO. The 996 is better still.
12-12-2016, 02:38 PM
#83
I like this thread because for me it provokes thought. The philosophical question that Porschephiles must ask at some point is what they want in their cars:
- Outright speed?
- Durability?
- Driving experience?
- Price point short of supercar territory?
I don't think that the GT3 has ever been the outright fastest car around a track (even if the fastest was a GT2). The question there is how much slower could the car be than its competition before the market would push back?
The durability thing is, IMHO, Porsche's greatest trick. I have to believe that a great deal of their budget centers around this and even if it doesn't, they're able to draw on past projects and extrapolate how far they can push the cars in development before they're not "track worthy".
The driving experience seems to be something the majority of GT3 owners hold sacred, but the question is who is willing to compromise in certain areas. Paddles? Electric steering? Do Porsche start providing you options that make the experience more like the cars of the past, but charge more for it?
Finally, how much can Porsche charge for the ultimate 911 (whatever that is)? Is part of the Porsche appeal that, while they are expensive cars, we're not talking about supercar price tag? Because if you think about it, if Porsche spend all this money to develop the ultimate 911, but Ferrari or Mclaren, for example, start with a mid engine platform and thus can justify spending less on the car to get similar performance because the layout itself is advantageous, Porsche's engineering prowess may be more laudable but people that want to go fast or go fast at a price point may opt for the more "logical" solution.
Sorry if I was rambling. Please continue.
- Outright speed?
- Durability?
- Driving experience?
- Price point short of supercar territory?
I don't think that the GT3 has ever been the outright fastest car around a track (even if the fastest was a GT2). The question there is how much slower could the car be than its competition before the market would push back?
The durability thing is, IMHO, Porsche's greatest trick. I have to believe that a great deal of their budget centers around this and even if it doesn't, they're able to draw on past projects and extrapolate how far they can push the cars in development before they're not "track worthy".
The driving experience seems to be something the majority of GT3 owners hold sacred, but the question is who is willing to compromise in certain areas. Paddles? Electric steering? Do Porsche start providing you options that make the experience more like the cars of the past, but charge more for it?
Finally, how much can Porsche charge for the ultimate 911 (whatever that is)? Is part of the Porsche appeal that, while they are expensive cars, we're not talking about supercar price tag? Because if you think about it, if Porsche spend all this money to develop the ultimate 911, but Ferrari or Mclaren, for example, start with a mid engine platform and thus can justify spending less on the car to get similar performance because the layout itself is advantageous, Porsche's engineering prowess may be more laudable but people that want to go fast or go fast at a price point may opt for the more "logical" solution.
Sorry if I was rambling. Please continue.
12-12-2016, 06:05 PM
#84
Rennlist Member
^^ Great points.
If you don't track (Much) there are so many great cars for sale in that price class that are more special in their own ways.
But as you say, the durability on track is still what sets Porsche apart.
If you don't track (Much) there are so many great cars for sale in that price class that are more special in their own ways.
But as you say, the durability on track is still what sets Porsche apart.
12-12-2016, 10:22 PM
#86
Ok but I'm grappling with the recent 2015 engine replacements and other failures how "durability " sets these cars apart??
12-13-2016, 07:24 AM
#88
Burning Brakes
12-13-2016, 07:38 AM
#89
12-13-2016, 07:40 AM
#90
Rennlist Member
agree that electric steering varies among different companies.
i have owned 2 s2000 and the steering was amazing
also I owned a brz and the steering iwas very good
how they do it , i don't know
i have owned 2 s2000 and the steering was amazing
also I owned a brz and the steering iwas very good
how they do it , i don't know