Hothonda

The second owner doesn't get whatever is left...only original buyer.

Maverick787

Sorry GTS^

Banango

Indeed. Thanks. I went and read the literature online after posting and realised I may not have been paying sufficient attention generally that day. He could have been talking to her about a CPO at the time. The X3 had been really disappointing to drive - aside from when we were very lightly rear-ended by a slightly dotty old dear at a traffic light - and I was at the time being amused by the fact that my '02 M3 DD was getting the most attention of any car on the lot while we were outside chatting. (This is a car with 144K mi, now in need of some exterior TLC.) That rather sadly sums up my own POV on BMW at the moment.

That change to the t&c on the maintenance program is IMO not a brilliant move on their part and suggests a clash of overconfidence and weakness amongst brand managers. I would hope Porsche doesn't suffer similarly since (1) I just got my first one and (2) I see a good deal of concern about it on Rennlist.

neanicu

BMW's maintenance program is part of the purchase price. You're paying for it.

Hothonda

Here's a link that explains...BMW is shooting themselves in the foot w/this decision.

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/08/12/b...-to-2nd-owner/

chillindrdude

i've been enjoying my M3 at the track this past season.

it's a great DD, kiddie errands, part-time track, do-it-all car. i'm committed until my lease is up in 28months. then it's on to an used 991 GT3RS, 570S, 458, or huracan. Also considering the ACR and Gen6 Z28

Manifold

The thought of a sedanish car that handles well and can just about hang with the GT3 sounds pretty cool to me. Would love to see some of these showing up at the track and embarrassing all sorts of Porsches.

jo_ker

chassis/steering/feeling on E46M and E92M are great! so predictable. such a good playable thing. i missed it a lot in other sportscars (C6Z06 for example).

owned E46M's and E92M's in all versions. minimum 150.000km quick country roads in the last 8 years. i didn't bought a M4 up till now. (current M3 is the best daily saloon. sure.)

but may you can prefer on some days a M4 GTS more than a 991 GT3. way more torque. engine in the front, drive in the back and a lucky piece of meat in the middle.
i could imagine it. to hoon full opposite lock around.

and it is cheaper. 144k€ for a M4GTS; 137k€ (154k€ same spec) for the 991GT3.
huge fanbase. fastest BMW ever. limited to 700 ww. should further lead to more than price stability.

Macca

The SportAuto time for the 991 GT3 is poor. There are already two amateurs on youtube beat this time with 250kmph geo fence in place (emanuelle - plowerslidelover). They should have managed 7.28. I recall they had some issue with the car?

The 991GT3 they need to do the times again at Spa & ring as both are wrong.

BMW made a good product in the past. I have had e39 M5 many years and driven e36 M3. The 1M is fun too. I tried new M4 hit didn't like it. I think e92 would be sweet spot. I tried CSL but did not like SMG. Horrible. But everything else about that car wax good!

ShakeNBake

I think a better way to look a ring times from Auto motor und Sport is that they are great drivers, but are not spending hundreds of laps in the car - so a better indication of what mortals will be able to get out of the car. The faster laps times from them tend to be in cars that inspire more confidence - one of the major reasons the GT3 has rear wheel steering. you have to have huge ***** to drive a 911 at 11/10ths on the ring. Few people have them, and even fewer have them and also know how to drive front engine or AWD cars around. What we need is an autonomous ring driver who can....wait...lost the plot.

Mika911

I agree that Porsche need to set some official times in the RS. Sportauto get very little seat time and their journos are capable but about 10s off the pace.

At first I assumed that powerslidelover would have set bridge to gantry times, which are about 15 seconds less than the Sportauto lap (which at 20.6km is 200m less than the full lap which BMW did), but I can see at least one full lap at 7:35s from powerslidelover. And I believe he has done 7:28 as well, which is incredible for someone who does not race there.

That does show that a top driver should manage the 20.8km lap under 7:20 (Porsche sources suggest 7:17 is feasible in the RS). But until they issue a video it's all hearsay.

Macca

Powerslide lover did 7.35 in a rented RSR 991 GT3 (fully stock) first day he ever drive the car on the Ring and that was 14 months ago. I think it may have been with a passenger.

He did a 7.14 BTG with limited 250kmph geo fence in his own car with Trofeo R a few months back on adjusted geo and has data to support this translates to a 7.28 time. I have no doubt on the right day with zero traffic he could achieve very close to 7.25 factory time in his own car.

It shows the factory times are aggressive and must occur with perfect conditions and support on the day. Even wind can be an issue and definitely humidity and road surface temperature when setting a hero lap.

It would be great to see an official RS factory full lap now the 250kmph limit is lifted. I think 7.18/19 is possible with Timo on the right day.....but it wont be easily replicated by an amateur not even someone as skilled as Emanuelle.

993RR

That sums it up well. Hardly anything on the table. Anyone know how fast the top N24 Manthey cars go round in?

Earlierapex

I agree. I had an e90. Incredible engine, sweet chassis, but it just felt generic somehow. Not sure how else to describe it. The low torque/high rev V8 just didn't fit the heavy car I guess.

Nizer

Yes, but agree with others who reminded of the SMG shortcomings. Selective memory at work again....