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Old 12-23-2015, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sparkyglenn
I had an old E90 M3 and I think the new M cars are all just horrible.

This new edition continues the downward spiral of BMW's M division.

In a few years I expect the GT division to see similar decline.

I hope I am proven wrong though...
I'm with you - I love the E92 M3 and previous series - I have zero interest in all this turbocharged nonsense - which is more of a response to government green regs than it is a progression of motorsport.
Old 12-23-2015, 02:13 PM
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Impressive car and lap but ugly as sin.
Old 12-23-2015, 02:23 PM
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RIP e92 v8.. Gone but not forgotten
Old 12-23-2015, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by karimgt3
RIP e92 v8.. Gone but not forgotten
Put that motor in a truly lightweight sports car and you would have had a legend. That engine was brilliant (if possibly flawed with bearing clearance issues). As it was - a disappointing car, IMO.
Old 12-23-2015, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by karimgt3
RIP e92 v8.. Gone but not forgotten
Agree. Perhaps the most special engine in its generation.
Old 12-23-2015, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sparkyglenn
Agree. Perhaps the most special engine in its generation.
Never ever liked the E92 and the resale value shows on this Gen M3
Old 12-23-2015, 04:55 PM
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S54 in the E46 M3 is a sweet engine. Over 100 hp/liter (333hp/3.2) beginning in 2001 was ahead of its time.

S65 in E9X M3 is special also (8,000 rpm V8).

Unfortunately for enthusiasts, BMW has gone in another direction, and not only are the engines uninteresting, the cars have lost the pre-Bangle esthetics and dynamics. BMW doesn't even have candidates for "best" cars anymore...

I've had the last three versions of the M3, and have no interest in the F80.
Old 12-23-2015, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rk-d
Put that motor in a truly lightweight sports car and you would have had a legend. That engine was brilliant (if possibly flawed with bearing clearance issues). As it was - a disappointing car, IMO.
They gave the e89 Z4 a very large front end and then never mounted anything they would call "M" something or other inside. Looking at the e89 proportions I bet they had the option of a new M Z in mind when deciding on making the e89 larger. Then it all went to hell in the economy crisis and the lack of interest in 2-seaters.

Would be half as bad if the v8 was available with a soft top but no it had to be a 4-seats spanning hard top high anchor.
Old 12-23-2015, 05:04 PM
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e46 m3 S54 with manual...sweet spot for looks, fun, power, handling, weight, reliability...

BMW has moved upmarket and gone digital with M3/M4 (and pretty much all their cars)

The new M2 will the rightful successor, but still not as good looking

I miss simplier and unfiltered feel of older manual cars even if they don't have 500-600 hp...
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991 GT3RS driven by factory drivers have recorded 7:20 ring time on a WET track.
Old 12-23-2015, 05:32 PM
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I'm crossing my fingers that I'll be able to snag one via the help of a friend who's a big consumer of bmws. For some reason it is more interesting to me than a 991. Can't put my finger on it. if I don't swing it, maybe a 996 cup or a viper acr.
Old 12-23-2015, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PPP
991 GT3RS driven by factory drivers have recorded 7:20 ring time on a WET track.

Source?
Old 12-23-2015, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by batmanm3
e46 m3 S54 with manual...sweet spot for looks, fun, power, handling, weight, reliability...
Agree on all counts (except for that little issue of rear subframe shearing...). I think this was the last great true M3. It's been downhill ever since. To me, the latest M3/M4's don't resemble the early generations in any way except name.
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Originally Posted by PPP
991 GT3RS driven by factory drivers have recorded 7:20 ring time on a WET track.
Not sure about that, but there's a verified lap time of 7:20 for the GT3RS posted, and Timo Kluck set a 7:25 in a regular GT3.
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E46 CSL was last great M3. E92 and F80 were/are quick but left me a little cold; neither lasted long in my garage.


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