To PCCB or NOT on 911 GT3
#31
Your 2013 458 could not have steel brakes unless you changed them.
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Although I only read the first page...
...what happened to driving your GT3/RS with PCCBs at a D.E. or track day with Traction Control on? Isn't this a big no-no and can cause some premature damage to the already overpriced Carbon Brakes; which interestingly are the cheapest version of the exact model PCCBS from the factory. Is it true that all Carbon Ceramic brakes are Sourced and made by the same company that everyone from Porsche, Ferrari, Lamgorghini & et al get them from.
That's why it cost a fortune to run a Ferrari in their little Ferrari Cup thing because they have to change their Carbon Ceramics after so many races?
...what happened to driving your GT3/RS with PCCBs at a D.E. or track day with Traction Control on? Isn't this a big no-no and can cause some premature damage to the already overpriced Carbon Brakes; which interestingly are the cheapest version of the exact model PCCBS from the factory. Is it true that all Carbon Ceramic brakes are Sourced and made by the same company that everyone from Porsche, Ferrari, Lamgorghini & et al get them from.
That's why it cost a fortune to run a Ferrari in their little Ferrari Cup thing because they have to change their Carbon Ceramics after so many races?
#34
Dump the lift system. I have Gen 2 RS, no lift system and have no issues and in Dubai this place is FILLED with speed humps/ramps. You'll be saving weight too. Go with your instincts.
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I live in San Francisco.. It's ab the most hilly urban terrain anyone would dare drive any car, let alone a gt3.. I high center and scrape the middle of my BMW wagon on some intersections.. The lift system is absolutely essential. Can't leave my street without it.. Still may have an issue with it. (Written while laughing condescendingly at comparison to Dubai speed bumps ). :-)
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And I have been in Calexico, California in the middle of summer. Its a bigger bummer than being in Bakersfield at the same time.
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I live in San Francisco.. It's ab the most hilly urban terrain anyone would dare drive any car, let alone a gt3.. I high center and scrape the middle of my BMW wagon on some intersections.. The lift system is absolutely essential. Can't leave my street without it.. Still may have an issue with it. (Written while laughing condescendingly at comparison to Dubai speed bumps ). :-)
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I live in San Francisco.. It's ab the most hilly urban terrain anyone would dare drive any car, let alone a gt3.. I high center and scrape the middle of my BMW wagon on some intersections.. The lift system is absolutely essential. Can't leave my street without it.. Still may have an issue with it. (Written while laughing condescendingly at comparison to Dubai speed bumps ). :-)
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I got lucky to get a allocation for early 2014 GT3 from my dealer (he has total 4 cars to sell in 2014).
By the time I finished the MSRP of the car is 164K Yikes...
The two most expensive options are:
1. PCCB - 9600 Dollars
2. Front Lift System - 3200 Dollars
I love the PCCB on my 2008 Turbo Cab - the car brakes likes nothing I have driven before... so I want PCCB on the GT3 but am wondering if stock brakes are good enough..
Will appreciate input..
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By the time I finished the MSRP of the car is 164K Yikes...
The two most expensive options are:
1. PCCB - 9600 Dollars
2. Front Lift System - 3200 Dollars
I love the PCCB on my 2008 Turbo Cab - the car brakes likes nothing I have driven before... so I want PCCB on the GT3 but am wondering if stock brakes are good enough..
Will appreciate input..
Todo
PCCB is either a nice or a must depending very subjectively on your personal preference, I would definitely order them ... others would pass
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Generation 3 PCCB's for GT3
Directly from Porsche " the material composition of the ceramic brake discs, especially the outer friction layer, has been completely revised. A significant higher proportion of ceramic in the carbon-fibre-reinforced ceramics has greatly increased the wear resistance of the new disc generation, even under extremely high loads". This is in addition to significant improvements in cooling which will apply equally to steel brakes. BOTH front and rear brake chambers on PCCB equiped 991 GT3's are forged aluminium whereas only the front chambers on the 997 were forged aluminium. So the larger brake rotor surface, improved materials and cooling make it a much more difficult decision for me since I had planned to stay with steel as I will be doing a few track days a year. Also, the replacement brake pads for PCCB's are less than the pads used on steel brakes so its no big deal to be conservative on replacing the pads well before any friction damage could be done to the rotors.
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Just do it. Cosmetically and Resale wise, they rock, and their INITIAL bite is absolutely tremendous...this is why people think they brake better...and honestly for the road its pretty nice. I didnt even have to think about it when order time came up. Front axel lift is an actual discussion though...
Many, and I mean many of the Lexus LFA Leasers, since you have to lease the Lexus for the first two years you own it, have the option of what color they want the Calipers. I think the last figure I saw on THAT option 90% Yellow like you know who right?
BLING
#43
I think it has already been noted that the "normal" steels will be small enough to hide inside 19's, which avails the driver to both Hoosiers and aftermarket brakes like Movit or PFC (official Porsche Motorsport OEM for 991 Cup.) Tasty either way.
I don't know if the factory PCCBs will work without a strut swap just because I don't know where the calipers will be fitted for those 410mm front rotors.
I am thinking the GT3 is **** on a bull without access to Hoosiers.
If the $10K+ 410mm PCCBs self destruct on the track (as all previous generators have disgraced themselves) then what's the point other than imaginary sensations of unsprung weight (with 20 inch wheels and tires?)
I dunno. I'm tempted to go PCCBs because this will be an "arrove and drove" car for me and if I have to buy a whole bloody strut, I'll be tempted to "decontent" the car to aftermarket san PASM and perhaps later sans rear steer (if the front steer merits the cost to see what this car is like if the driver were to be the one in control of it.)
I don't know if the factory PCCBs will work without a strut swap just because I don't know where the calipers will be fitted for those 410mm front rotors.
I am thinking the GT3 is **** on a bull without access to Hoosiers.
If the $10K+ 410mm PCCBs self destruct on the track (as all previous generators have disgraced themselves) then what's the point other than imaginary sensations of unsprung weight (with 20 inch wheels and tires?)
I dunno. I'm tempted to go PCCBs because this will be an "arrove and drove" car for me and if I have to buy a whole bloody strut, I'll be tempted to "decontent" the car to aftermarket san PASM and perhaps later sans rear steer (if the front steer merits the cost to see what this car is like if the driver were to be the one in control of it.)
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I think the best option if you can stomach the $9k option is to go with the PCCB option for all of the advantages already iterated. Porsche will soon be releasing an iron rotor that's equal in size to the PCCB rotor, so it will allow you to have a track set of iron rotors that are larger than the non-PCCB. You get the bling upside and option to use PCCB with an even larger rotor set to provide slightly better fade resistance in the track scenarios.
#45
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I think the best option if you can stomach the $9k option is to go with the PCCB option for all of the advantages already iterated. Porsche will soon be releasing an iron rotor that's equal in size to the PCCB rotor, so it will allow you to have a track set of iron rotors that are larger than the non-PCCB. You get the bling upside and option to use PCCB with an even larger rotor set to provide slightly better fade resistance in the track scenarios.