991 GT3 RS
11-27-2013 | 12:44 AM
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A good comparison would be BMWs addition of the 1 & 6 series to the 3/5/7, and of course the creation of the A/B/C/CLS/E/S classes at Mercedes. Having a 2 door coupe Cayman then 911 then 960 then 918 (or alternate super car) line-up makes sense for profit maximization...
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11-27-2013 | 08:31 AM
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Any single-ended directly-heated triode guys here among the audiophiles? I used to design and build my own amps of this type from exotic pre-WWII German and British tubes (thought they sounded better than anything else at any price). Fun stuff, but gave it up to focus on running at the track (could only afford one money pit at a time).
you are indeed correct that they are both money pits. i started with audio, then went on to tracking, now back to audio. it's definitely cheaper. tracking was costing
too much.
11-27-2013 | 09:45 AM
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back to RS
new rumors in rennteam.....here is copied over:
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- 500 hp (3.8 or 4.0 l DFI engine)
- 991 Turbo body
- weight substantially lower than GT3 (not sure what "substantially" means but I heard something about 30-60 kg less)
- CF roof
- Base price around 176-179k EUR (incl. 19% VAT)
- no AWS (all-wheel-steering) due to homologation issues
- availability May/June 2014
There is also a strong rumor that the RS may not get the PDK we know from the GT3 but the rumors are a bit confusing and may even indicate some sort of sequential gearbox instead (which I highly doubt). The "no AWS" thing however seems to be quite sure, which is a big surprise for me.
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if the sequential gearbox rumor is true, then i am out. over to GT3 or cabrera or stay with fezza.
peter
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- 500 hp (3.8 or 4.0 l DFI engine)
- 991 Turbo body
- weight substantially lower than GT3 (not sure what "substantially" means but I heard something about 30-60 kg less)
- CF roof
- Base price around 176-179k EUR (incl. 19% VAT)
- no AWS (all-wheel-steering) due to homologation issues
- availability May/June 2014
There is also a strong rumor that the RS may not get the PDK we know from the GT3 but the rumors are a bit confusing and may even indicate some sort of sequential gearbox instead (which I highly doubt). The "no AWS" thing however seems to be quite sure, which is a big surprise for me.
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if the sequential gearbox rumor is true, then i am out. over to GT3 or cabrera or stay with fezza.
peter
11-27-2013 | 10:06 AM
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what is the comparable EUR base price on the 991GT3?
this seems to be an early availability release of the RS...
In Sept., a 'reliable' PCNA exec told me RS availability was targeted for late Fall '14.
this seems to be an early availability release of the RS...
In Sept., a 'reliable' PCNA exec told me RS availability was targeted for late Fall '14.
11-27-2013 | 10:22 AM
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11-27-2013 | 12:47 PM
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Agreed and that is why I am skeptic about this bit of info. Didn't AP say RWS adds the equivelant of 80 or so HP? If so, adding 25 hp to the RS and removing around 60 Kg may not make it all that faster than the 3.
11-27-2013 | 01:09 PM
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The RS is definitely going to be faster on circuit than GT3. I think the benefit of RWS is over hyped. The RS is gonna be a track monster and maybe fairly annoying to drive on the road.
11-27-2013 | 01:41 PM
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the most notable right now, is allnic, out of korea. dht range is very expensive; around 40k per component. those old valves from telefunken, mullard, siemens.., are very nice.
you are indeed correct that they are both money pits. i started with audio, then went on to tracking, now back to audio. it's definitely cheaper. tracking was costing
too much.
you are indeed correct that they are both money pits. i started with audio, then went on to tracking, now back to audio. it's definitely cheaper. tracking was costing
too much.
11-27-2013 | 05:36 PM
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11-27-2013 | 07:31 PM
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I don't think that VW is worried about the Porsche 960 taking away Lamborghini sales as the Lambo brand attracts a different buyer than most Ferrari and Mclaren owners. All these cars have power, but Ferrari and Mclaren attract true performance drivers and those attracted to the pedigree and passion of the cars.
Sorry, but your average Lamborghini drive is compensating for small personal equipment by buying a large, loud, "look at me" car.
Of course that description does apply to some Ferrari,Mclaren, Porsche owners, but not 90% of them as with Lamborghini owners.
Sorry, but your average Lamborghini drive is compensating for small personal equipment by buying a large, loud, "look at me" car.
Of course that description does apply to some Ferrari,Mclaren, Porsche owners, but not 90% of them as with Lamborghini owners.
I agree that it will be very interesting to see how VW markets the 960/Huracan (won't be the Cabrera)/R8 triplets against the high end 991s and upcoming baby Mac and AMG GT. The $200k niche market is going to be quite crowded...
11-28-2013 | 02:51 AM
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I think what he said is that having RWS was like removing 40kg or adding 40hp or something, but I don't think it was 80hp that would mean that a non-rws 555hP RS would be equal to a RWS 475hp gt3. Unlikely. At the end of the day you can get creative with trick stuff but if same chassis same tires basically same car 80hP is going to stamp its authority (almost 15% more power!!!)
11-28-2013 | 03:18 AM
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I think what he said is that having RWS was like removing 40kg or adding 40hp or something, but I don't think it was 80hp that would mean that a non-rws 555hP RS would be equal to a RWS 475hp gt3. Unlikely. At the end of the day you can get creative with trick stuff but if same chassis same tires basically same car 80hP is going to stamp its authority (almost 15% more power!!!)
11-28-2013 | 07:19 AM
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With Lamborghini being the only one currently offering a truly analog supercar (though not for much longer, as Gallardo production ended this week), more than a few of us have jumped over there. But, yes, your percentages are probably accurate.
I agree that it will be very interesting to see how VW markets the 960/Huracan (won't be the Cabrera)/R8 triplets against the high end 991s and upcoming baby Mac and AMG GT. The $200k niche market is going to be quite crowded...
I agree that it will be very interesting to see how VW markets the 960/Huracan (won't be the Cabrera)/R8 triplets against the high end 991s and upcoming baby Mac and AMG GT. The $200k niche market is going to be quite crowded...