GT3 production delays.... again!
10-09-2013, 10:48 AM
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I guess if your Dealership's allotment of GT3s was at the front of the list you didn't have to wait. Hence why Porsche of Downtown LA ain't heard of the delay. That and I imagine Beverly Hills and maybe Circle Porsche Long Beach!?
10-10-2013, 04:39 AM
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I heard from an informed source that the cause of the delay was a global shortage of warning/idiot lights - seems all the manufacturers have underestimated the volume of idiot lights necessary to meet the modern driver's needs, given the obviously more important tasks of texting and internet surfing while "driving"...
Anyway, you will get the 991 GT3 - no doubt about that..but there will be serious delays in the end (+- 6 month). Porsche will do the job..dont worry about that.
10-10-2013, 05:01 AM
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This is the timetable from the confidential internal PAG & Dealer document dated 04/2013
It appears issues with the supply of rear wheel steering gear is holding up delivery. 20 LHD "production" cars have been produced and sit in a holding yard in Stuttgart awaiting production "sign off". The RWS system for the GT3 is unique and differs from the 4WD one used in 991TT/S. Apparently a supply/parts issue and they want to be sure first. estimated delays 4-5 weeks. This post below from another board may help. I have been also told by a friend who was involved that its worth the wait!
Hi All,
Have been following the thread for what feels like an eternity! I'm based in Germany and ordered my GT3 back in May for an October Delivery, now delayed to end of Nov.
The dealer here has also been told very little officially from the main factory other than whats already been said by Porsche GB. However, one of the salesmen has a guy on the inside at Porsche Motorsport who has been feeding him some info. As it stands today they say no cars will be delivered before mid november to anywhere in the world. They have produced 20 cars so far and they are all basically quarantined pending further production sign off. They are very paranoid about sending out the cars knowing there could be a fault which they then subsequently recall in Feb/March next year prior to the driving season kicking off and having irate customers. They told me there were similar launch /recall issues with the 997 and are not prepared to repeat that experience. The whole of Porsche Motorsport has been sworn to secrecy and are not saying what is causing the delay. The guy at the dealer has been unofficially told it might be something to do with the rear wheel steering system which differs from the Turbo system due to the addition of 4WD on the Turbo models. (There is a new Turbo S at my dealers which I'm testing next week.)
All in all not really covering themselves in glory. My dealer has been very good through out at updating me, but obviously doesn't change the fact that I probably won't be driving it this side of Christmas or even February with the winter we have here. Also not helped by the fact that my salesman had a passenger ride with one of the work drivers at Weissach recently and reported to me that it was epic....
It appears issues with the supply of rear wheel steering gear is holding up delivery. 20 LHD "production" cars have been produced and sit in a holding yard in Stuttgart awaiting production "sign off". The RWS system for the GT3 is unique and differs from the 4WD one used in 991TT/S. Apparently a supply/parts issue and they want to be sure first. estimated delays 4-5 weeks. This post below from another board may help. I have been also told by a friend who was involved that its worth the wait!
Hi All,
Have been following the thread for what feels like an eternity! I'm based in Germany and ordered my GT3 back in May for an October Delivery, now delayed to end of Nov.
The dealer here has also been told very little officially from the main factory other than whats already been said by Porsche GB. However, one of the salesmen has a guy on the inside at Porsche Motorsport who has been feeding him some info. As it stands today they say no cars will be delivered before mid november to anywhere in the world. They have produced 20 cars so far and they are all basically quarantined pending further production sign off. They are very paranoid about sending out the cars knowing there could be a fault which they then subsequently recall in Feb/March next year prior to the driving season kicking off and having irate customers. They told me there were similar launch /recall issues with the 997 and are not prepared to repeat that experience. The whole of Porsche Motorsport has been sworn to secrecy and are not saying what is causing the delay. The guy at the dealer has been unofficially told it might be something to do with the rear wheel steering system which differs from the Turbo system due to the addition of 4WD on the Turbo models. (There is a new Turbo S at my dealers which I'm testing next week.)
All in all not really covering themselves in glory. My dealer has been very good through out at updating me, but obviously doesn't change the fact that I probably won't be driving it this side of Christmas or even February with the winter we have here. Also not helped by the fact that my salesman had a passenger ride with one of the work drivers at Weissach recently and reported to me that it was epic....
10-10-2013, 06:21 AM
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Macca's sources again proved to be knowledgeable. I just received information from my dealer that, contrary to what they told me a week ago, my car actually isn't in production (even though the system showed that it was) and will be further delayed.
Here's my frustrating timeline to date:
1. Initial confirmation in writing after ordering: week 28 production finish, ETA week 35.
2. Early July update: week 34 production finish, ETA week 41.
3. End of July update: week 36 production finish, ETA week 44.
4. Early September update: "the production delays have been resolved and the dates on the system are now accurate"; week 39 production finish, ETA week 47.
5. Early October update: car is in production, ETA week 48.
6. Mid October update: "car was not in production, no information will be available until the end of October."
It's becoming a joke, albeit not funny at all. I know that complaining doesn't help me to get my car any sooner, but I find it a very poor business practice to break multiple consecutive commitments, written or verbal.
So, I doubt whether I'll actually get it this year. And if they continue based on past performance, I might even get the 458 Speciale earlier...
And yes, I'm pretty sure this will cause further delays in other (following) markets as well...
Here's my frustrating timeline to date:
1. Initial confirmation in writing after ordering: week 28 production finish, ETA week 35.
2. Early July update: week 34 production finish, ETA week 41.
3. End of July update: week 36 production finish, ETA week 44.
4. Early September update: "the production delays have been resolved and the dates on the system are now accurate"; week 39 production finish, ETA week 47.
5. Early October update: car is in production, ETA week 48.
6. Mid October update: "car was not in production, no information will be available until the end of October."
It's becoming a joke, albeit not funny at all. I know that complaining doesn't help me to get my car any sooner, but I find it a very poor business practice to break multiple consecutive commitments, written or verbal.
So, I doubt whether I'll actually get it this year. And if they continue based on past performance, I might even get the 458 Speciale earlier...
And yes, I'm pretty sure this will cause further delays in other (following) markets as well...
10-10-2013, 06:30 AM
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TomTom. I feel your pain. I had a trip to Europe planed to pick it up and now that is history!
This is what my dealer says and its consistent with your latest update -
The factory sent a memo to the world dealer network advising the delay (possibly 4 weeks+), but they are not updating any deliveries for sure until the end of October.
The memo did not say exactly what components are holding up the production.
The information was not supposed to have been given to customers…..
This is what my dealer says and its consistent with your latest update -
The factory sent a memo to the world dealer network advising the delay (possibly 4 weeks+), but they are not updating any deliveries for sure until the end of October.
The memo did not say exactly what components are holding up the production.
The information was not supposed to have been given to customers…..
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10-10-2013, 07:35 AM
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This is the timetable from the confidential internal PAG & Dealer document dated 04/2013
It appears issues with the supply of rear wheel steering gear is holding up delivery. 20 LHD "production" cars have been produced and sit in a holding yard in Stuttgart awaiting production "sign off". The RWS system for the GT3 is unique and differs from the 4WD one used in 991TT/S. Apparently a supply/parts issue and they want to be sure first. estimated delays 4-5 weeks. This post below from another board may help. I have been also told by a friend who was involved that its worth the wait!
Hi All,
Have been following the thread for what feels like an eternity! I'm based in Germany and ordered my GT3 back in May for an October Delivery, now delayed to end of Nov.
The dealer here has also been told very little officially from the main factory other than whats already been said by Porsche GB. However, one of the salesmen has a guy on the inside at Porsche Motorsport who has been feeding him some info. As it stands today they say no cars will be delivered before mid november to anywhere in the world. They have produced 20 cars so far and they are all basically quarantined pending further production sign off. They are very paranoid about sending out the cars knowing there could be a fault which they then subsequently recall in Feb/March next year prior to the driving season kicking off and having irate customers. They told me there were similar launch /recall issues with the 997 and are not prepared to repeat that experience. The whole of Porsche Motorsport has been sworn to secrecy and are not saying what is causing the delay. The guy at the dealer has been unofficially told it might be something to do with the rear wheel steering system which differs from the Turbo system due to the addition of 4WD on the Turbo models. (There is a new Turbo S at my dealers which I'm testing next week.)
All in all not really covering themselves in glory. My dealer has been very good through out at updating me, but obviously doesn't change the fact that I probably won't be driving it this side of Christmas or even February with the winter we have here. Also not helped by the fact that my salesman had a passenger ride with one of the work drivers at Weissach recently and reported to me that it was epic....
It appears issues with the supply of rear wheel steering gear is holding up delivery. 20 LHD "production" cars have been produced and sit in a holding yard in Stuttgart awaiting production "sign off". The RWS system for the GT3 is unique and differs from the 4WD one used in 991TT/S. Apparently a supply/parts issue and they want to be sure first. estimated delays 4-5 weeks. This post below from another board may help. I have been also told by a friend who was involved that its worth the wait!
Hi All,
Have been following the thread for what feels like an eternity! I'm based in Germany and ordered my GT3 back in May for an October Delivery, now delayed to end of Nov.
The dealer here has also been told very little officially from the main factory other than whats already been said by Porsche GB. However, one of the salesmen has a guy on the inside at Porsche Motorsport who has been feeding him some info. As it stands today they say no cars will be delivered before mid november to anywhere in the world. They have produced 20 cars so far and they are all basically quarantined pending further production sign off. They are very paranoid about sending out the cars knowing there could be a fault which they then subsequently recall in Feb/March next year prior to the driving season kicking off and having irate customers. They told me there were similar launch /recall issues with the 997 and are not prepared to repeat that experience. The whole of Porsche Motorsport has been sworn to secrecy and are not saying what is causing the delay. The guy at the dealer has been unofficially told it might be something to do with the rear wheel steering system which differs from the Turbo system due to the addition of 4WD on the Turbo models. (There is a new Turbo S at my dealers which I'm testing next week.)
All in all not really covering themselves in glory. My dealer has been very good through out at updating me, but obviously doesn't change the fact that I probably won't be driving it this side of Christmas or even February with the winter we have here. Also not helped by the fact that my salesman had a passenger ride with one of the work drivers at Weissach recently and reported to me that it was epic....
youre well informed - like me
Anyway, with regards to the reason, I was think of something else..I hinted at that already ..but I cant be more specific.
With regards to the delays, dont be frustrated guys, but US-CAN - NZ wont see any customers cars before santa clause...as far as it stands now. European buddies should be happy if they get one before christmas - I even heard of a 3 month delay - counting from november on..but this is speculation.
But I wasnt that wrong when I talked about delays weeks ago..I would have won that bet already...the other one is due in a few days (between me and Macca)..I know that it will be a close call..the 991 GT3 did better then I expected..but lets see..
10-10-2013, 08:04 AM
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Porsche Collector. It went under 7.30 in the hands of our magazine friends? I would visit you for my beer but due to 991 GT3 production delays I will now not come to Europe to pick up my car in December! Bugger! Actually mine is C98 variant and promised as one of first 7 production RHD as per my 993 which was number 3 RHD production car in Nov 1993! Initial delays were communicated to me 8 weeks ago but suffice to say there have been additional delays and now no even my dealer is getting communication (probably due to forums such as this?). I believe my car will still be delivered before Xmas but I will not be there to receive it. I do not fancy snow for my first drive....
10-10-2013, 08:14 AM
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Porsche Collector. It went under 7.30 in the hands of our magazine friends? I would visit you for my beer but due to 991 GT3 production delays I will now not come to Europe to pick up my car in December! Bugger! Actually mine is C98 variant and promised as one of first 7 production RHD as per my 993 which was number 3 RHD production car in Nov 1993! Initial delays were communicated to me 8 weeks ago but suffice to say there have been additional delays and now no even my dealer is getting communication (probably due to forums such as this?). I believe my car will still be delivered before Xmas but I will not be there to receive it. I do not fancy snow for my first drive....
Actually, I might be at the factory also in December..how funny that would have been..we could have made a photo shoot of my GT3 (not a 991 GT3) and your new one...and enjoy our beer or wine in the musueum restaurant.
..But Im like you..I dont want to drive the car in snowy conditions..on these tires this is suicide.
With regards to the Sport Auto test, I got a hint from someone that it at least did the same time as the 4.0..but apparently not the 7:25 factory claim either. Anyway, the result will be good anyway..if i remember we bet for 7:27 (correct)..and it could be just on the spot of the 7:27..one beer for you and a wine for me
PS: let me know when you will be there at the factory..I know I have to go there again soon...but could shift this a bit..and it could be quite snowy there..dont underestimate this..
10-10-2013, 09:02 AM
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Mate. I cant remember what our bet was but its recorded somewhere here in internet history. It might take some time to find bit Im sure we can do that.
I think our bet started way before an official time was quoted. At that time the factory said under 7.30. My friend had been with the engineers when they were running consistent times 7.27 and below during RWS calibration in late 2012. There was a huge debate on the times I posted especially when I stated 7.25 wasn't the lowest. I recalled we bet on whether SA would get under 7.30. For them to get to 7.27 is incredible as only 2s from factory figures? Maybe not so incredible really as 7.25 is in my opinion (ok from what I have been told) a marketing number to help 991 GT3RS....
Anyway, really it would be nice to share a glass of wine in Stuttgart. At this stage my plan was to be there with the GT3 on 13/14 December. If my production date remains week is 48 or less I will still come to Germany for 13 Dec. After week 48 it does not make sense for me to come and instead just ship the car direct to NZ.
If you want to win the wine you have to look for our bet LOL!
I think our bet started way before an official time was quoted. At that time the factory said under 7.30. My friend had been with the engineers when they were running consistent times 7.27 and below during RWS calibration in late 2012. There was a huge debate on the times I posted especially when I stated 7.25 wasn't the lowest. I recalled we bet on whether SA would get under 7.30. For them to get to 7.27 is incredible as only 2s from factory figures? Maybe not so incredible really as 7.25 is in my opinion (ok from what I have been told) a marketing number to help 991 GT3RS....
Anyway, really it would be nice to share a glass of wine in Stuttgart. At this stage my plan was to be there with the GT3 on 13/14 December. If my production date remains week is 48 or less I will still come to Germany for 13 Dec. After week 48 it does not make sense for me to come and instead just ship the car direct to NZ.
If you want to win the wine you have to look for our bet LOL!
10-10-2013, 09:13 AM
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The delays will surely suck for those with orders awaiting delivery but I know I'd prefer to wait an extra 1-2 months if it meant my car was delivered right first go without flaws resulting in lost wheels or a car crabbing sideways... Patience fellas... Good things come to those that wait 
10-10-2013, 10:07 AM
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hi macca,
yep..it seems I said 7:31-7:34..and it that case I lost it. But I dont remember what you put in the ring? below 7:30 or below 7:27..? If you said 7:27 or below..we both lost..If I lost, keep me updated on your travel plans..and we might settle our debt in the porsche musueum
But lets wait until the official results..to be sure..
yep..it seems I said 7:31-7:34..and it that case I lost it. But I dont remember what you put in the ring? below 7:30 or below 7:27..? If you said 7:27 or below..we both lost
..If I lost, keep me updated on your travel plans..and we might settle our debt in the porsche musueumBut lets wait until the official results..to be sure..
10-10-2013, 10:38 AM
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10-10-2013, 10:55 AM
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Not the last shoe to drop, as some have alluded here. Personally, I'd relax and be thankfull they're trying to sort the issues before pushing cars into the market. Last thing you guys want is a repeat of the 997.2 GT3 ownership experience. Can't say you weren't warned.