Uncooked Truth: A Sad State of Manual Transmission Affairs
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when people start taking delivery of the 991 GT3. Lots of good choices, but none is quite ideal.
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It's been brought up before, but the analog vs. digital nature of the MT vs. PDK-S is also at stake.
There is just not a drop in replacement for the clutch and stick in paddles and well.. just paddles... It's the feathering balance between the two that is missing.
Have you ever just sat a light on a slight incline and "played" with the balance of engagement on the clutch. I used to hate hills on a MT, to some extent still do, with an idiot behind me that tailgates within an inch of my bumper and me with a LWFW, but I now *love* the fact that my baby and I can dance with gravity.
Brings to mind the video of the guy trying to load the 991GT into the trailer and stalling, like what, 3 times?
The same story goes with audio and photo MPEG and JPG vs Vinyl and Film, etc. BTW, I still love my Dynavector MC cartridge on Vinyl, Nakamichi ZX9 tape deck, Leica cameras, and still use these as they bring me joy...
The ability to "feather" the controls is lost.
I like the control, however primitive and simplistic.
There is just not a drop in replacement for the clutch and stick in paddles and well.. just paddles... It's the feathering balance between the two that is missing.
Have you ever just sat a light on a slight incline and "played" with the balance of engagement on the clutch. I used to hate hills on a MT, to some extent still do, with an idiot behind me that tailgates within an inch of my bumper and me with a LWFW, but I now *love* the fact that my baby and I can dance with gravity.
Brings to mind the video of the guy trying to load the 991GT into the trailer and stalling, like what, 3 times?
The same story goes with audio and photo MPEG and JPG vs Vinyl and Film, etc. BTW, I still love my Dynavector MC cartridge on Vinyl, Nakamichi ZX9 tape deck, Leica cameras, and still use these as they bring me joy...
The ability to "feather" the controls is lost.
I like the control, however primitive and simplistic.
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I know this is a Porsche forum. But I believe this catches the essence of pure driving experience. Maybe someone has posted the video already in this thread or somewhere else on the forum:
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Drifting is for show as CH is demonstrating here. If you want speed and performance, drifting should be avoided.
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I know this is a Porsche forum. But I believe this catches the essence of pure driving experience. Maybe someone has posted the video already in this thread or somewhere else on the forum:
Ferrari F40 v Ferrari F50. Like You've Never Seen Them Before /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube
Ferrari F40 v Ferrari F50. Like You've Never Seen Them Before /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS - YouTube
The F40 is a sledgehammer when the turbos light up. If you let the revs drop, there’s a lot of lag by modern turbo standards – and then it feels as if an 18-wheeler has rammed you in the back when they come back up on boost. I was very intimidated on the occasions I drove it on track. Much more of a hairy chested brute than the F50 for sure, but I can understand how that represents the ultimate appeal to many. In some ways I view the F50 as the GT3-RS-on-steroids to the F40’s super-modified-930-turbo.
One of the gentlemen who had these cars followed it up with an Enzo. It was much faster and more sophisticated in every respect than either the F40 or F50 – a real technology tour de force – but somehow not quite as special as either, IMO.
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To me, the Ferrari review highlights how great a driver's car the 991 GT3 could be with a good 6-sp manual. Not saying it's not great with PDK, but I'm talking about intimate connection with the car.
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There are pros/cons with any option. Operating cost for a 996 cup is somewhat high, not street legal so trailering is mandatory, it gets hot in there, engine rebuild needed every 150 to 250 hours, etc. The new Vette looks like a nice option, but it's not a 911, and I love the 911. If I got a 991 GT3, it would be lightly optioned, so sticker should be under $140K; track insurance would mitigate risk, but the insurance has its own cost. 997 GT3 is also an option, but I need to see prices come down first, which may start to happen
when people start taking delivery of the 991 GT3. Lots of good choices, but none is quite ideal.
when people start taking delivery of the 991 GT3. Lots of good choices, but none is quite ideal.
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