frayed

Pete, good to see you posting even after this thread melted down then had moments of clarity.

Agreed that it changes the way the driver interacts with the car.

Completely agreed with your buddy Harris' analogy to the checkout gal.

I think it boils down to whether one can actually approach the PDK box in the GT3 with an open mind; does one have the ability to hit the backspace button and judge the new metal based on its merit?

Highly individual decision.

Tough to ask for many, I think.

stout

Completely agree. No one driver can tell another driver "how it is or should be" on this subject. This thread has really cemented that for me. It's not just a driver to driver thing, but a car to car thing for each driver.

There are plenty of cars I like with two pedals, and I think those who end up liking two pedals in a GT3 are going to have a rockin' good time in the new car—and we'll be hearing superlatives from them. And that will be nice, because the car really is that good.

pete

neanicu

This is what ZF is currently developing in terms of transmission :

http://www.zf.com/corporate/en/produ...owertrain.html


They are still offering 3 types of 6 speed manual transmission for rear wheel drive vehicles,including sport cars :

http://www.zf.com/corporate/en/produ...smission.shtml

The S6-45 might be a good choice for the GT3 with some modifications. It can hold up to 470 NM torque. The 991 GT3 has 440 NM torque.

Advantages :

High shift comfort through low operating forces, short and precise shift paths
Compact construction, weight reduction through lightweight design
Very good efficiency
Optimal coordination and synchronization
Flexible transmission ratio, and adaptable depending on the passenger car engine type
Full cost controls through consistent modular conception

I believe the 997 GT3 is using a 6 speed Getrag. I found this thread with some info on the history of this transmission :

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2-...n-a-997-a.html

Here's a link to current manual transmissions offered by Getrag :

http://www.getrag.com/en/products/ma...ssions_mt.html

In terms of weight savings,you can't beat the Manual!

Nick

The train has left the station. What you are hearing now is the decreasing sound of the train as it distances itself from the station. Within five years if not sooner, you will not hear anything.

This talk of mechanical involvement or input are dying last gasps.The MT is just stepping into the netherworld. May it rest in peace.

jumper5836

Just like vinyl records.

neanicu

What Nick forgot to mention is that the train is full of Porsche customers leaving the brand.

Dude-

Collateral damage. Nothing more.

Nick

GOOD ONE!

The reality is those customers are still using clubs to catch and slay their prey. That is why they are on a one way trip to the cemetery.

Der-Schwabe

Not arguing about the point here other than that the 991 GT3 has a max torque of 440 NM...thought it was worth mentioning.

neanicu

You are correct,my mistake.
Thank you.

stout

Not arguing the point either, but Porsche 99x/98x transmission also must be a transaxle, making it a very special beast.

pete

neanicu

I guess that is why they chose not to offer it anymore...

stout

C'mon, this is a Porsche GT3, not a Subaru SVX...

Earlierapex

The most common complaint about PDK is that the computer is "doing it for you." With ABS and threshold braking without skidding, the computer is "doing it for you." I'm not sure why that is so hard to grasp.

Maybe the subtlety here relates to the Pete's point about changing the control mechanism. In a true mechanical sense, ABS is MORE sophisticated than PDK because it is doing something a human being cannot do - namely individually pulsing each front and both rear brakes at the verge of lockup.
PDK is just taking over pushing in and letting out the clutch and rev matching on downshifts.

So maybe we could parse this like so: 1) you don't get upset when the computer does something a human being is physically incapable of doing and 2) you do get upset when the computer replaces something you ARE capable of doing yourself (even if you can't do it as well).

Nizer

I'm sure that's what the car guys in Detroit told the acccountants when customers started to look elsewhere. It took a number of years but hubris, greed, and regulatorry change ultimately brought them to their knees.

I hope, and don't believe, this will happen to Porsche but I don't see how you put a positive spin on turning your back on a customer base you've worked years to develop.