991.2 GT3 RS to become a future classic ?
10-07-2019, 01:07 PM
#106
Devolved into a discussion about the 992...
back on the idea of being a classic
I’ve always appreciated the romantic notion of a one owner 20 year old car. Is that a foolish dream with this car/kind of car? I’m not really that into cars but I like the color and shape of this generation RS. Actually a manual 997 GTS would probably have been ideal but I missed the boat for being original owner on that one. No funds then and no interest in cars.
is the .2RS too complex to consider owning for 20 years - lots of computers, RWS, PDK, FAL, 9k redline, hard to access engine compartment? Or will the depreciation be a heartbreak? PDK is something that I can see myself still driving 20 years from now if it can last that long. Not sure if I’ll be able to physically handle a manual in that time.
Will it be costlier to keep this one new car for 20 years or constantly switch between depreciated cars (getting the 3-4 year old cars, keeping for 3-4 years) for the next 20 years?
back on the idea of being a classic
I’ve always appreciated the romantic notion of a one owner 20 year old car. Is that a foolish dream with this car/kind of car? I’m not really that into cars but I like the color and shape of this generation RS. Actually a manual 997 GTS would probably have been ideal but I missed the boat for being original owner on that one. No funds then and no interest in cars.
is the .2RS too complex to consider owning for 20 years - lots of computers, RWS, PDK, FAL, 9k redline, hard to access engine compartment? Or will the depreciation be a heartbreak? PDK is something that I can see myself still driving 20 years from now if it can last that long. Not sure if I’ll be able to physically handle a manual in that time.
Will it be costlier to keep this one new car for 20 years or constantly switch between depreciated cars (getting the 3-4 year old cars, keeping for 3-4 years) for the next 20 years?
10-07-2019, 04:45 PM
#107
10-07-2019, 07:36 PM
#109
Burning Brakes
People literally said the same thing when the 991 came out and now people are touting a 1 year old Porsche as a "Classic".
What was so special about the 991 over the 997? Last of what? First of what? The 991 was more technologically advanced and comfortable that's for sure, but I didn't realize that's what makes a sports car.
What was so special about the 991 over the 997? Last of what? First of what? The 991 was more technologically advanced and comfortable that's for sure, but I didn't realize that's what makes a sports car.
10-07-2019, 09:11 PM
#110
I’m not crazy about the grille in the 992, but the GT3 and GT3RS will not have the same grille. Other than that, I think the 992 looks pretty good. I think I’ll wait to see how the actual GT3RS looks before I decide if I’m getting one or not. Also, if it stays N/A and has even more performance, sounds good, etc, I’ll probably buy one.
10-07-2019, 11:43 PM
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992 with all the
panamera like screens and interior
jap car door handles
panamera like rear lights
21/20
for sure 992 has lost any sense as a Touring or the R "classic" version
but despite the 992 iphone style, the 992 RS will be faster than 991 RS then as the RS badge suggests, it s a matter of track story performance not future classic story (for both pdk RSs...) none of the RSs are any sort of classic, just the faster track toy gets from track people their attention, for "instant classic" collection there are other and better versions than recent pdk RSs
panamera like screens and interior
jap car door handles
panamera like rear lights
21/20
for sure 992 has lost any sense as a Touring or the R "classic" version
but despite the 992 iphone style, the 992 RS will be faster than 991 RS then as the RS badge suggests, it s a matter of track story performance not future classic story (for both pdk RSs...) none of the RSs are any sort of classic, just the faster track toy gets from track people their attention, for "instant classic" collection there are other and better versions than recent pdk RSs
Last edited by fxz; 10-08-2019 at 12:06 AM.
10-08-2019, 12:17 AM
#112
People literally said the same thing when the 991 came out andnow people are touting a 1 year old Porsche as a "Classic".
What was so special about the 991 over the 997? Last of what? First of what? The 991 was more technologically advanced and comfortable that's for sure, but I didn't realize that's what makes a sports car.
What was so special about the 991 over the 997? Last of what? First of what? The 991 was more technologically advanced and comfortable that's for sure, but I didn't realize that's what makes a sports car.
10-08-2019, 01:38 AM
#113
People literally said the same thing when the 991 came out and now people are touting a 1 year old Porsche as a "Classic".
What was so special about the 991 over the 997? Last of what? First of what? The 991 was more technologically advanced and comfortable that's for sure, but I didn't realize that's what makes a sports car.
What was so special about the 991 over the 997? Last of what? First of what? The 991 was more technologically advanced and comfortable that's for sure, but I didn't realize that's what makes a sports car.
in regards as to what is so “special” about the 991 vs 997 was its ability as a sports car and how much faster and capable it is then the 997RS. For a non turbo, non hybrid vehicle it’s a true feat of engineering that may never be replicated. If the 992 can achieve the same model over model growth (highly unlikely) then we really have something to look forward to.
Let’s also recognize the 991 was not a “two door panamera” as we are seeing with the current evolution of the 911/992.
We can also go into rarity as well, 1,434 991.2 GT3RS ever built for the USA of which only half are weissach editions is quite rare for a nation with almost 350 million people.
Last edited by Dot23RS; 10-08-2019 at 02:29 AM.
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10-08-2019, 02:06 AM
#114
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Lets face it, people are stupid.
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10-08-2019, 03:49 AM
#115
I think the .2RS has a very special feel to it even though they seem overexposed too many for sale etc.. stepping back and just focusing on the car itself without backwards comparison to 997 etc. and forward comparison to 992 it stands as a beautiful car with nice classic aesthetic elements that remind me of the 934 and 935 type look from the 70's. It's hardcore enough to relieve the need to go back and try to look for a resto-mod of an older 911 and it has a warranty and all of the tech in it is sorted out (nothing cutting edge and unproven).
With its stock configuration engine and exhaust sound terrific and can be driven leisurely if need be. Perhaps only complaint is lack of a manual which would have made rs an amazing proposition. Overall, one could easily see it as a keeper to enjoy for many years and ignore all the extraneous noise about newer is always better. From the ITB update sounds like newer is going to sound good but different and up to you to decide if better. Same goes to interior and exterior redesign, both depend on personal taste. At times, I wish I had gone for that manual 997.1 gt3 back in 2006, would have made perfect keeper back then. Most of all, seems like it's more about the various experiences you have driving these cars and putting miles on them in many circumstances, that's what helps develop a bond. Jumping from one to the next will not allow you to do that.
With its stock configuration engine and exhaust sound terrific and can be driven leisurely if need be. Perhaps only complaint is lack of a manual which would have made rs an amazing proposition. Overall, one could easily see it as a keeper to enjoy for many years and ignore all the extraneous noise about newer is always better. From the ITB update sounds like newer is going to sound good but different and up to you to decide if better. Same goes to interior and exterior redesign, both depend on personal taste. At times, I wish I had gone for that manual 997.1 gt3 back in 2006, would have made perfect keeper back then. Most of all, seems like it's more about the various experiences you have driving these cars and putting miles on them in many circumstances, that's what helps develop a bond. Jumping from one to the next will not allow you to do that.
10-08-2019, 04:38 AM
#116
Three Wheelin'
I have a 991.2 RS, but I think people are reaching when they say stuff like "last 911 with 5 dials"!
More things were lost in the 997 to 991 transition than 991 to 992 - 997RS was last manual, last mezger, last real handbrake, last hydraulic steering, last no RAS, last 911 that feels like engine is really at the back - all things that make a difference in how the car drives/feels vs 5 dials (of which one is not even really a dial)!
More things were lost in the 997 to 991 transition than 991 to 992 - 997RS was last manual, last mezger, last real handbrake, last hydraulic steering, last no RAS, last 911 that feels like engine is really at the back - all things that make a difference in how the car drives/feels vs 5 dials (of which one is not even really a dial)!
10-08-2019, 05:01 AM
#117
10-08-2019, 10:19 AM
#118
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The last 911 with 5 dials was the 993. Everything since then has become a single cluster. Maybe a better way to put it is last 911 with a true shift **** and not a micro shaver
10-08-2019, 11:00 AM
#119
Race Director
I have a 991.2 RS, but I think people are reaching when they say stuff like "last 911 with 5 dials"!
More things were lost in the 997 to 991 transition than 991 to 992 - 997RS was last manual, last mezger, last real handbrake, last hydraulic steering, last no RAS, last 911 that feels like engine is really at the back - all things that make a difference in how the car drives/feels vs 5 dials (of which one is not even really a dial)!
More things were lost in the 997 to 991 transition than 991 to 992 - 997RS was last manual, last mezger, last real handbrake, last hydraulic steering, last no RAS, last 911 that feels like engine is really at the back - all things that make a difference in how the car drives/feels vs 5 dials (of which one is not even really a dial)!
10-08-2019, 11:43 AM
#120
NO. None of the 991s will be. Look at how many .1RS’ have been sitting on the market. Centerlocks wont be looked at fondly, much less poeseur centerlocks (real ones are steel), engines you cant see when you open the hatch, and if you could see it. The whole top is plastic, so a dumbed-down presentation for those who are mechanically inclined to keep their classic IC cars running (which will be a requirement in 20+ years time), and a dumbed-down driving experience with all those nannies, RWS, etc. Sorry, but 991s are fun now while in warranty and while you can still get the PDK fixed or replaced, but in the future, the pinnacle of what a proper IC sports car was will be the MT 997.