Archimedes

Yup, there is a rapidly increasing divergence taking place between driving and transportation. And given where the latter category is headed, relatively soon I don't think it will even be fair to call them 'automobiles'. They'll just be individual transportation pods.

Volcano

I agree straight line speed gets old really fast once you get pulled over a couple of times the novelty wears off I much prefer a car that handles very well for street driving. It's way more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow IMO. Hopefully they can bring that electric semi to market on time for once it would be nice to not get stuck behind a semi blowing black smoke all over the place for once.

lfish

The aroma of sour grapes wafting from my monitor is intoxicating...if this was a Porsche development we would all be putting down deposits and kvetching about ADM

Volcano

Meh the car is 3 years out minimum. I would like to see a vbox to verify those performance numbers and would have to drive it myself to see how it handles. The biggest gripe that I have with modern cars now is that they're so fast that it's no fun to drive them on the street. Constantly getting pulled over gets old real fast ask me how I know.

Quadcammer

sour grapes about what? nobody cares that its a tesla not a porsche. If you spend time around this forum, people buy $200k cars cause they are bored. If they wanted a tesla, they would get one.

I have no interest in an electric vehicle, so I couldn't care less who built it.

Drifting

Agree. All the megacars with insane HP numbers largely just sit in garages. I want to drive my cars every single week.

Agree in general on the ideal garage. My garage next year will consist of the dual motor/AWD Tesla Model 3 for my DD/errands car and 991.2 GT3 for track/weekend fun. Those two cars cover all my bases.

I do want to add a roadster in few years when I'm a different house. Would consider the Tesla, but will also look at whats available in 2021 from Porsche, MB, etc. If Tesla creates a 1.9 sec 0-60 beast, that still weighs over 4,500 lbs, I would likely just try to find a 987/981 spyder in good condition.

Jupiterfish

they were doing ride alongs ....

https://jalopnik.com/watch-the-new-t...e-c-1820542817

starts at 1:30

daveo4porsche

until it proves itself at the Track color me unconvinced - otherwise the Model S is a fanatastic daily driver and my preferred car - after driving an EV I vastly prefer them to ICE cars and look forward to the invasion - anyone who doesn't like EV simply hasn't had enough time with them or is being resistant for questionable reasons

but I agree Elon is better at buzz than follow through - but he also tends to pull off what he says he will (just not on his announced schedule) - this will be another landmark car, and it will keep pressure on established vendors - but I doubt it will be better than a 911 GT3 on track…but he might even surprise me - if it can track with a 911 - then folks the game will have changed…but color me unconvinced this is any more than a really really fast/agile daily driver - it's unlikely to be a track car…but most people don't track their sports cars, and that is the point - it will be the best sports car on the road - but not the track.

misterwaterfall

Has anyone else said that it will never get built? Because it will never get built. They needed a cash raise, these deposits get that done.

love2drive

Electric Power appears to be a superior technology over the petrol engine. We see this revolution eclipsing the petrol engine that Porsche has evolved to its own zenith of perfection. This is the crossroad. Now, I'm sure Porsche will leverage its suspension expertise, incorporate its passion for performance, and put together their own electrically driven sports car in the near future. Hear the sound of the petrol engine's knell from your PSE while you can.

Manifold

I may be wrong, but I'd guess the typical Model S owner (even with ludicrous mode) isn't really a sports car enthusiast, so that may explain this. My C63 has a lot of torque, and it hasn't gotten old for me at all.

Petevb

That will be my garage in the near future as well, though I'll have another slot for my wife's DD (maybe a single-motor Tesla or Cayenne (cringe)). I've also got a 912 for vintage rallies and a dedicated track monster in the mix.

For fun cars I've come to realize I need "flaws". The 1M was a hugely fun DD for me, and in some ways it's one of the most flawed modern cars I've driven- turbo lag, didn't put power down, tail-happy and often over the limit, will bite in fast sweepers. But as an ownership experience that was far more fun on average roads than the many much "better" cars I've driven/ owned that can rail corners at 3x the speed limit, etc. Manuals are flawed, most 911s are very flawed. The GT2's turbo lag is a flaw, and it makes the car. The 918 is the most flawless car I've driven, and I simply didn't want one.

A decade from now you'll clearly be able to get affordable SUVs as quick and flawless as 918s. Which begs the question- how fast do you want to go, really? I'd love to drive a new Tesla Roadster to the autocross and for a few quick blasts. But it's a car I'd really rather my buddy buys and I borrow, because at the end of the day the speed's a party trick. One hell of a trick, to be sure, but much less impressive when everyone's got it. At which point I find it's the challenge and the flaws that keep me coming back, not the numbers.

Needsdecaf

And the fact that they just lost $619 in Q3 2017.

Tesla aside, in reading the article in this month's issue of Car discussing both the Mission E and the GT2RS, I think that the Mission E is going to be a game changer. Take a Tesla, throw out the bad, amplify the good and put the backing of the Porsche empire behind it and that's a recipe for some serious success. Having driven a Model S a bunch of times, it's a very appealing vehicle to me for a commuter car. And one that, despite it's flaws, is fun enough to not bore you senseless. It's not just about the Ludicrous mode acceleration. The thing I like about it is the precision of speed. I equated it to driving the world's most responsive NA engine. There's no downshifting now power curve, not nothing. You move your foot, you change speed. You take your foot out, you slow down. I loved it.

Once companies like Porsche put their full might behind performance EV's, the tide will start shifting faster.

RRRRR

If E car can do 0.1s 0-60 then what? Not feel any hyped at all.

F1CrazyDriver

that looked insane.

Either people don't understand EV or don't want to admit/hard headed that EV is the best DD.

When i first road in the Roaster back in 2009 IIRC, or earlier probably... i was in the denial phase. Deep down i knew i was being a hater.
However after my hate for it went away (even though i had a 911 turbo - which was silly fast), i managed to put get a deposit on a Signature Model S.
EV = Best DD.
Stop hating, embrace.