991.2 GTS, GT3, GT2, GT3 RS, Mission E - Update
01-20-2017, 06:15 AM
#796
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Originally Posted by Selvatico
I don't write here too much and there are already too many cleaning ladies around as you know. But let me say , probably you remember that me and other Italians were invited to see a digital preview of the car before the launch of the last RS.And then all was confirmed. Strange but true, Italy was the main source of info in those days.. Well the same dealer I visited at that time, told me this just 2 weeks ago (I was there asking about the Gt3 MKII):
Selvatico, I got confirmations that the RS MKII is planned for January 2018. Use this as an info coming by a serious guy, no jokes and don't insult me pls
Selvatico, I got confirmations that the RS MKII is planned for January 2018. Use this as an info coming by a serious guy, no jokes and don't insult me pls
01-20-2017, 06:21 AM
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01-20-2017, 06:34 AM
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I think it depends how they go about detuning it. What if they drop the redline 1,000 rpm and put a really conservative camshaft. That would be way less fun (the low redline is what necessitates the tall gearing). Or maybe they use the identical engine and use software to keep the throttle from opening all the way like they did on the 981 Boxster/Cayman? Or maybe they use restrictive intake and exhaust that can be replaced in the aftermarket? Will be interesting...
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01-20-2017, 06:49 AM
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I don't write here too much and there are already too many cleaning ladies around as you know. But let me say , probably you remember that me and other Italians were invited to see a digital preview of the car before the launch of the last RS.And then all was confirmed. Strange but true, Italy was the main source of info in those days.. Well the same dealer I visited at that time, told me this just 2 weeks ago (I was there asking about the Gt3 MKII):
Selvatico, I got confirmations that the RS MKII is planned for January 2018. Use this as an info coming by a serious guy, no jokes and don't insult me pls
Selvatico, I got confirmations that the RS MKII is planned for January 2018. Use this as an info coming by a serious guy, no jokes and don't insult me pls
?......I had this info confirmed yet again yesterday that PAG has confirmed to dealers in Europe the following dates for production.
GT3 June 2017
GT2 RS early 2018
GT3 RS June 2018
In usual fashion, model announcements to the market will be 4-6 months in advance. GT3 formal release is Geneva 2017.
01-20-2017, 06:51 AM
#800
Originally Posted by Chris3963
Yep, this is what I posted on April 28th last year.
?......I had this info confirmed yet again yesterday that PAG has confirmed to dealers in Europe the following dates for production.
GT3 June 2017
GT2 RS early 2018
GT3 RS June 2018
In usual fashion, model announcements to the market will be 4-6 months in advance. GT3 formal release is Geneva 2017.
?......I had this info confirmed yet again yesterday that PAG has confirmed to dealers in Europe the following dates for production.
GT3 June 2017
GT2 RS early 2018
GT3 RS June 2018
In usual fashion, model announcements to the market will be 4-6 months in advance. GT3 formal release is Geneva 2017.
01-20-2017, 07:34 AM
#801
I have always been in the band camp of the next GT4 to be a turbo motor as no NA engine makes sense due to supply and pricing. Now however I believe this still to be true but I don't think we will be getting a .2 GT4 and we won't get one till the next gen. Instead we will get a GT4RS with the detuned 4.0 this takes the supply and price problem away. Since this is an entirely new car the price constraints disappear. I see the GT4RS starting around the 125k ish mark which allows for a more GT inspired motor.
01-20-2017, 09:17 AM
#802
Nordschleife Master
AP's group really seems to be getting pressured by competition from the regular Porsches and now also other brands. This is moving the performance of the cars up, and also their prices.
Considering the realistic uses of these cars, I'm not sure this is going in the right direction.
The cars are already too fast for the road, and roads aren't changing to accommodate faster cars. Manual will add back some involvement on the road, and the GT4 could use a better torque curve matched to better gearing, but otherwise the GT3 and RS don't need to be any faster for the road.
On the track, these cars are already plenty fast, and the operating cost per track day is high. Now we're poised to see even higher purchase and operating costs to make the cars faster, but I don't see a need to be going even faster in cars that don't have race car safety equipment. The only time the 991.1 GT3 has ever felt "slow" in any sense was when I was in the company of well-driven proper race cars on Hoosiers or slicks, and that's ok with me since I get to use my road tires on the track.
Seems that we're trapped in a counterproductive arms race ...
Considering the realistic uses of these cars, I'm not sure this is going in the right direction.
The cars are already too fast for the road, and roads aren't changing to accommodate faster cars. Manual will add back some involvement on the road, and the GT4 could use a better torque curve matched to better gearing, but otherwise the GT3 and RS don't need to be any faster for the road.
On the track, these cars are already plenty fast, and the operating cost per track day is high. Now we're poised to see even higher purchase and operating costs to make the cars faster, but I don't see a need to be going even faster in cars that don't have race car safety equipment. The only time the 991.1 GT3 has ever felt "slow" in any sense was when I was in the company of well-driven proper race cars on Hoosiers or slicks, and that's ok with me since I get to use my road tires on the track.
Seems that we're trapped in a counterproductive arms race ...
So how many here thinks he can drive eight 991 GT 3 or a 991GT 3RS.1 to its full capability of the track? Post below "I can". I know of 2 or 3 here of which I am not included nor will be included. I'm good but not that good.
These cars are already going way too fast for the track without proper safety equipment and that includes a proper cage.
Porsche is in the business to sell cars especially since their ownership by VW and making up for diesel gate. Keeping their base GT customers happy is secondary. Compared to their mainstream customers we are a very small slice of the pie.
They didn't build more GT3RS's because they wanted to keep GT customers happy...they built them because they felt they could sell them. Further they wouldn't build more than they calculated (not just "felt") they could sell.
This is why I believe that all this speculation that a manufacturer like Porsche who is building many other bread and butter models on the same line could pump out more than twice the original planned number of RSs in the span of nine months worldwide is bs. Makes 0 sense. The bean counters at PAG don't take a dump without a calculator and probably count the sheets they use. At 2 to 3 times original plannned production we would see these cars all over and sitting on dealer lot by the hundreds. Last I checked Car Gurus here approximately 30 991RSs for sale in US. Not a lot of cars for sale comparatively speaking. Right now there are close to 1000 GT 350s for sale
FXZ says Asia was the largest market. If that's so then as far as I'm concerned it's a large chunk of RSs that were just pushed over a cliff. I wouldn't touch any car that had been sold or used in Asia. And right-hand drive cars are out. The only really relevant number for the US is the 1400 to 1500 cars that are here. Not a lot but of cars.
Chris you heard production of GT3RS 2018? This would be late 2018 with announcement in early 2018? I understand that this is what you were told but...There has been no mention,sightings or discussion or leak anywhere of .2GT3RS to be unveiled in 2018. The only way I could see this happening as you say is if they just yank the turbos off the 2RS and presto! Don't see that happening for the primary reason that it would steal a lot of the thunder from the 2RS or vice versa. Don't believe everything you hear. And sometimes believe only part of what you see.
Last edited by Waxer; 01-20-2017 at 09:39 AM.
01-20-2017, 09:35 AM
#803
This is why I believe that all this speculation that a manufacturer like Porsche who is building many other bread and butter models on the same line could pump out more than twice the original planned number of RSs in the span of nine months worldwide is bs. Makes 0 sense. The bean counters at PAG don't take a dump without a calculator and probably count the sheets they use. At 2 to 3 times original plan production we would see these cars all over and sitting on dealer lot by the hundreds.
FXZ says Asia was the largest market. If that's so then as far as I'm concerned it's a large chunk of RSs that were just pushed over a cliff as far as I'm concerned . I wouldn't touch any car that had been sold or used in Asia. And right-hand drive cars are out. The only really relevant number for the US is the 1400 to 1500 cars that are here. Not a lot but of cars.
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01-20-2017, 09:38 AM
#804
Chris you heard production of GT3RS 2018? This would be late 2018 with announcement in early 2018? I understand the his is what you were told but...There has been no mention,sightings or discussion or leak anywhere of .2GT3RS to be unveiled in 2018. The only way I could see this happening as you say is if they just yank the turbos off the 2RS and presto! Don't see that happening for the primary reason that it would steal a lot of the thunder from the 2RS or vice versa. Don't believe everything you hear. And sometimes believe only part of what you say .
as of right now you have the GTS just out, the GT3 coming and then the GT2 later in the year
there is only so much attention the public can take, hence no talk of the GT3 RS
absense of proof is not proof of absense !
01-20-2017, 09:43 AM
#807
Nordschleife Master
You have exhausted my patience. Don't purport to speak for everyone. I post what I think is relavent. Don't like it. To bad. Just skip over.
01-20-2017, 09:48 AM
#808
Nordschleife Master
you will see mules in the summer, you will hear talk about the next RS
as of right now you have the GTS just out, the GT3 coming and then the GT2 later in the year
there is only so much attention the public can take, hence no talk of the GT3 RS
absense of proof is not proof of absense !
as of right now you have the GTS just out, the GT3 coming and then the GT2 later in the year
there is only so much attention the public can take, hence no talk of the GT3 RS
absense of proof is not proof of absense !
01-20-2017, 09:52 AM
#809
Nordschleife Master
Waxer -
PAG could build 10,000 .2RS and every single one will sell - probably at least MSRP. I don't think you understand what has occurred with the GT potential buyer. It is not what it used to be 10 years ago. "Everyone" wants one so the "bean counters" you refer to would be colossal idiots to not produce as many as they could with the huge profits attached to each one.
Don't worry the .1RS will still hold it's value, just won't be as good as a .2RS or a .9RS...
PAG could build 10,000 .2RS and every single one will sell - probably at least MSRP. I don't think you understand what has occurred with the GT potential buyer. It is not what it used to be 10 years ago. "Everyone" wants one so the "bean counters" you refer to would be colossal idiots to not produce as many as they could with the huge profits attached to each one.
Don't worry the .1RS will still hold it's value, just won't be as good as a .2RS or a .9RS...
01-20-2017, 09:56 AM
#810
Waxer: "This is why I believe that all this speculation that a manufacturer like Porsche who is building many other bread and butter models on the same line could pump out more than twice the original planned number of RSs in the span of nine months worldwide is bs. Makes 0 sense. "
right
so you think its relevant to tell people the RS was built only for 9 month? seriously?
at first i thought your repeated misinformation and stating of wrong facts are due to your overblown worries about the stability of pricing for the car you own but i run out of excuses for you, you just keep going and going and your opions are diverting more and more from facts
i told you how to get reliable RS production numbers, have you done that? if yes then why are you still talking complete nonsense? and if you haven't then please do