NaroEscape

Its not as much the tires as it is the set up. Most of us have our cars set up for normal road coarses - high neg camber, agressive toe settings, stiffly sprung, etc. Banking needs an entirely different set up due to the different loads put on the suspension/wheels/tires. R6 tires are soft, hence why they are sticky, so they will wear out much more quickly anyway, and if the set up is forcing excessive loads on certain parts of the tires, it happens even faster.

Even the pros had issues with blowing tires in winter testing for the Rolex 24 - new aero packages and weight requirements changed all the set up numbers...plus the teams that had never run there really struggled.

Rovals require a completely different set up than the road coarses... so if you don't change things before you go on the high banks, it probably doesn't matter what tire you're using...

LateBrake911

Great info.. thx ! .. Good to know

Macca

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/defa...ryId=29764.htm

kosmo

^^^ funny that Macca. I wonder if Mclaren will demand any compensation and warranty extension!

Gravs

It makes sense to me that they should go for Porsche customers. I'm a big Porsche fan and much prefer McLaren to Ferrari, especially when I think about actually buying one. I'd quite like an F12 though

SamFromTX

Nicely written and intelligent. At first glance, i got the impression he was complementing Porsche. In a way true but I also got the subtle impression he is promoting the P13. Got my attention.

Gravs

I agree, he's definitely promoting the P13. I think it's perfectly acceptable to say that they like Porsche cars. It helps him in positioning McLaren, as he is explicitly doing in the article.

911rox

They certainly have my attention...

As for the car buying, it's very common place in the automotive industry. Nissan would also buy 911 turbos to use as a benchmark to build their GTR platform... Ford, GM, BMW, Mercedes and many other companies buy competitors' cars for comparative purposes...

NaroEscape

He hits a much larger audience comparing to Porsche's than Ferrari or Lambo. And...lets be honest...Porsche's have always been the standard in performance that everyone compares to, so if he's promoting performance, it makes sense to compare to Porsche, not the others. Most sports car reviews will say "XYZ compared to a Porsche 911"

RINGMEISTER27

P13 won't compare to a gt3. So a $300,000 650s comes with an open diff.. That's hilarious.

0Q991

Agreed. The total addressable market (TAM) at $100-200k is not only much larger than the >$250k market, but also more "wide open" competitively. What other sports car competitors are there? Nissan GT-R, M6, Maserati GT, Audi R8, etc.--that's already including cars that are more "Sports GT's" than "Sports Cars," like the M6 and Maserati. Also, factoring in the fact that cars like the GT-R and Maserati sell in extremely low volumes, you really see how the 911 (and variants) have a major portion of this pie to themselves.

It's also interesting how the P13, 12C / 650S, and P1 all use the same (or a version of) carbon tub and 3.8L TT V8. The engine is tuned for more or less power and the car is blessed with more or less performance tech...and, viola, you have your model variants. Hmmm. That also sounds just a bit like the 911, no?

LateBrake911

Good info on P3.. -- Now any news from PCNA? DAng.. looks like no 001 GT3's at this event. http://parade2014.pca.org/hpde.html

0Q991

A post at the PH forum said that the communication will go out by end of day.

But who knows...

kosmo

yup including Porsche buying GTR's and Vettes.

the P13 has my attention.

Fadi1

As interesting as this conversation is it's way off topic. Remember...stop sale....nothing new!!! Frustrating...common guys