View Poll Results: would you like to see the 993 and 997 style hybrid body panels (page 12, 13) copied ?
yes, would like to see lightweight copies sold by GT Racing or other vendor.
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sounds cool, but not interested in doing this type of update.
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a few upgrades for the 968....
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Considering that the old Targas were available with a wraparound glass rear section, and otherwise just consisted of a removable roof section...it already IS a Targa. If that's not open enough, unbolt your hatch, and replace it with a piece of clear plastic that you can fold up and put under the carpet. If you still want it to be more open, remove your roof center section, and cut off the metal between your A-pillars and your B-pillars, leaving just a "hoop" like the Targa. I suppose you'd replace the roof with a canvas or vinyl section that you could roll up and stow away somewhere.
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Josh (JDS) has a very sweet mod in the works.
not going to disclose, but it's a good one.
i'm thinking of going to the junkyard and finding lamps that look similar to ours and then simply cutting them down to size and fitting them to our bumpers. probably go plastic... since cutting glass ain't exactly easy.... 1. these lamps are very expensive to replace and 2. mine are all pitted.... then, i'll build the sides of the housings with an hq epoxy resin (hardens very clear and isn't affected much by UV), then fabricate anchors in order to connect them to the bumpers.
I don't think that trying to graft in some other car's lights is a good idea. Our fog housings have a very specific shape, size, contour, and mounting hardware. No sense trying to shoehorn something else in when these ones fit perfectly already. Plus, if I'm right, you'll still be able to ___________________________ using the original adjustment screws..... If your glass is too badly pitted, I think you're better off getting the front surface ground off and using a clear epoxy to replace it with a piece of perspex or lexan cut to shape.
good advice..... my lights are trashed from high miles and 85~90 mph transcon driving. they look like somebody shot them up with chunks of concrete.... if i follow in your footsteps, these will require replacement. you never know, i might find something with lenses that fit the pattern within a reasonable margin. then maybe i can combine the existing lamp housings with the generic lenses. as you already know, i love it when i can put 911 equipment on the car. but putting stuff on that's not even Porsche makes me feel like like a full-on punk rock star !
I was thinking that instead of replacing the ENTIRE glass section of the fog housing, it might be able to cut the glass with a diamond wheel or something, and just remove the flat front section. That would be very easy to replace with a flat section of perspex or lexan. Building a 3-dimensional replacement for the entire glass piece would be much more difficult because one end is curved and you would need to bend a strip to match.
yep....i had a good look at the lamps today (where they curve into the hidden area of the bumpers)... you can see so much of them, the housings/lenses need to be oem, for sure.
Remember, you had lots and lots of room (to shape the fenders) and everything gets hidden under paint. With clear plastic light housings, you get the shape precisely where you want it the first time, or you start over.
we can get molds done to replicate the body pieces. cf fenders, hood and nose would be nice.
just gotta get up off my butt and do it.
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not going to disclose, but it's a good one.
Originally Posted by odurandina
i'm thinking of going to the junkyard and finding lamps that look similar to ours and then simply cutting them down to size and fitting them to our bumpers. probably go plastic... since cutting glass ain't exactly easy.... 1. these lamps are very expensive to replace and 2. mine are all pitted.... then, i'll build the sides of the housings with an hq epoxy resin (hardens very clear and isn't affected much by UV), then fabricate anchors in order to connect them to the bumpers.
Originally Posted by JDS968
I don't think that trying to graft in some other car's lights is a good idea. Our fog housings have a very specific shape, size, contour, and mounting hardware. No sense trying to shoehorn something else in when these ones fit perfectly already. Plus, if I'm right, you'll still be able to ___________________________ using the original adjustment screws..... If your glass is too badly pitted, I think you're better off getting the front surface ground off and using a clear epoxy to replace it with a piece of perspex or lexan cut to shape.
Originally Posted by odurandina
good advice..... my lights are trashed from high miles and 85~90 mph transcon driving. they look like somebody shot them up with chunks of concrete.... if i follow in your footsteps, these will require replacement. you never know, i might find something with lenses that fit the pattern within a reasonable margin. then maybe i can combine the existing lamp housings with the generic lenses. as you already know, i love it when i can put 911 equipment on the car. but putting stuff on that's not even Porsche makes me feel like like a full-on punk rock star !
Originally Posted by JDS968
I was thinking that instead of replacing the ENTIRE glass section of the fog housing, it might be able to cut the glass with a diamond wheel or something, and just remove the flat front section. That would be very easy to replace with a flat section of perspex or lexan. Building a 3-dimensional replacement for the entire glass piece would be much more difficult because one end is curved and you would need to bend a strip to match.
Originally Posted by odurandina
yep....i had a good look at the lamps today (where they curve into the hidden area of the bumpers)... you can see so much of them, the housings/lenses need to be oem, for sure.
Originally Posted by JDS968
Remember, you had lots and lots of room (to shape the fenders) and everything gets hidden under paint. With clear plastic light housings, you get the shape precisely where you want it the first time, or you start over.
we can get molds done to replicate the body pieces. cf fenders, hood and nose would be nice.
just gotta get up off my butt and do it.
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barn find....
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ons-found.html
wish they could uncover something like that for a '68 Turbo.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ons-found.html
wish they could uncover something like that for a '68 Turbo.
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barn find....
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ons-found.html
wish they could uncover something like that for a '68 Turbo.
https://rennlist.com/forums/928-foru...ons-found.html
wish they could uncover something like that for a '68 Turbo.
Pass.
Now if they found non-LSD 6-speeds that I could put my Quaife in, I think I might buy the very first one.
09-09-2012, 11:23 PM
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Looks terrific OD.
It really transforms the front of the car. It looks much more aggresive, really great.
Great color too!
+1. I don't think Porsche even made the autos. I think someone else did. I mean they might've made these I guess since they're special, but the run-of-the-mill autos I don't think were Porsche.
There is a ton of hidden Porsche stuff around the factory in various places, from what I've heard. Probably uber-cool prototypes galore.
There's hope yet. The long-lost 969 prototype (V8 TT 911) of the late eighties just surfaced in some Porsche Museum videos on the official YouTube channel.
Take care!
It really transforms the front of the car. It looks much more aggresive, really great.
Great color too!
There is a ton of hidden Porsche stuff around the factory in various places, from what I've heard. Probably uber-cool prototypes galore.
There's hope yet. The long-lost 969 prototype (V8 TT 911) of the late eighties just surfaced in some Porsche Museum videos on the official YouTube channel.
Take care!
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thank you.
i lengthened the car by about an inch to morph the bumper line as i alluded to earlier.
but, for some reason the camera doesn't do a good job showing the true shape of it.
better in person.
naturally i was using the link to those 928 auto-boxes in an allegorical sense....
as a metaphor for envisioning a barn find of surplus Turbo S boxes....
like if the factory ordered 20 or 30 extra to build more turbos and then halted production.
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i lengthened the car by about an inch to morph the bumper line as i alluded to earlier.
but, for some reason the camera doesn't do a good job showing the true shape of it.
better in person.
naturally i was using the link to those 928 auto-boxes in an allegorical sense....
as a metaphor for envisioning a barn find of surplus Turbo S boxes....
like if the factory ordered 20 or 30 extra to build more turbos and then halted production.
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the year is 1997...
and you're engaged to marry a rich man's daughter....
one day the rich man says,
"______, i've chosen for you and my daughter the choice of selecting a special wedding gift..... but you have to take either one selection or the other.... and there are only 2 selections from which to choose......
"i'm offering to give you two 1995 Porsche 968 coupes, both with manual transaxle and limited-slip differential that i've got in a sealed container from 2 years ago.... one of them in Riviera Blue, and the other in Blood Orange...."
(as delivered these cars totaled just shy of 90 thousand dollars a couple of years ago)....
"the other selection is a new *1998 Porsche 911.... the car is nothing out of the ordinary. hasn't anything special in particular. no turbo. no sports seats or mag wheels... it's just a Porsche 911 that i've had them make in a color that i find particularly attractive—Riviera Blue."
(as delivered, this car totals just shy of 88 thousand dollars the day it arrives)....
*(the 911 used for the illustration above isn't much different than the 911 that came during the final model year of the 968, so you can't say it isn't from the same general time frame of the above mentioned 968s.... it is)...
which Porsche gift package would you choose ?
(what choice would you make then and now).
If we are talking now, today... From a purely financial point the 993 is the Porsche to pick. Value = $35k - $40 today and some say "appreciating". The is twice what the 968's would bring assuming same condition & mileage. If the year is 1997 then I would have picked the Two 968's.
Raj for the win.
okay, we all know i'm the biggest ***—but let's take a look at a couple results....
i'll update in a couple of days when the sale on the 968 is final.
the word 'rare' is often used to describe a certain number of 968s on many of the threads on this forum... frankly, in the front engine 4, P-car world vs the real world, i'm suspicious.... just what exactly does 'rare' entail ? and if a car is rare how does that compare to other, so-called rare or collectable '80s and '90s cars of the post muscle-car era ?
i take a hard line about any rumours of advancing interest (from the public) that could someday send our car's values upward... so, i'm wondering,
is there really any evidence that this will someday occur ?
Jeff is doing is a great job and i appreciate the database he maintains. yet, i don't think Porsche could give two ****s about any of these cars. i've never seen a 968 shown in any contemporary, officially sanctioned Porsche exhibit or retro event...
with the booming economy of the Reagan-era in full swing, and sales looking pretty good, most of the '90s platforms were sitting on the drawing board, and an excited group of executives to go along.... i can't imagine the disappointment they must have been feeling just a few years later, after the '91 recession hit.... despite the accolades given to the Carrera 4, the early '90s didn't turn out to be so great considering the investments and innovations that had been made.... in the P-car world, we had the 968 and 993 updates, to go along with an newish (sort of), flagship, 928GTS...
....but, the 968 is somewhat of a parody. one thing; is the 968 really a '90s car ? it has leftover 944 styling mixed with some forward nine-five-nine and variocam... but, scant on other '90s tech updates...
so then; does the 968, 928 GTS or (993) end up taking up any space in the mindset of the enthusiast sports car collecting public out there ? well, despite high production, it turns out the purchase of a 993 was to become one of the best Porsche investments ever... it has barely lost any value since it arrived 18 years ago.... cars with very low miles command prices just below sticker. or even better for the coup de grâce of all the super, air/oil cooled 911s — that of course being the 1997 Turbo S (of which only something like 185 were made).
you can't say anything even remotely like this about the 968 or final edition of the 928.
there are scant collectable 968s... (and skipping right over all the Sports and CS cars), there are about 18 or 20 in all..... people have attempted reproductions, but the Porsche (968TS) parts cupboard is now bare..... i think Raj's car represents the truest form of enthusiast mod of any P-car i have ever seen or heard about, ever. surely, tops anything from the entire 20 year production run of front engine, 4 cylinder Porsches.... and technically, doesn't fall one fibre short of a production 968 TS or RS... in real street performance, it destroys all '80s-era prodution 911s, and with a top speed pushing 190 mph (seriously), and if we're talking about the late '80s/early '90s, with it's superior handling, Raj's Turbo S stands side by side with the two best air/oil-cooled 911s ever; the 959, and 1997 993 Turbo S.
yet it's odd — that most people have never heard of a Porsche 968 Turbo S or Turbo RS.
for the rest of us, things are considerably less spectacular..... show me 1 collectable 911 or flagship Porsche from the '80s or '90s besides the 993 and 959 that matters. things get measurably worse for 968s; in my opinion, neither the 968 CS or Sport holds any significance whatsoever in terms of collectability with the automotive buying public at large, and i have no inclination to think they ever will....
the truth, is that nobody in the automotive world (including Porsche) gives a crap about our cars.... in the end, it's a love fest in the lowly 944/968 neighborhood, with a few other P-car owners occasionally peeking in—but no more.... so pardon me, for being curt; there's no reason to get too caught up... if you're interested in getting one, buy any 968 that's been well cared for....
well even i never thought it could get this bad.... there is a beautiful 968 1 of 1 Coupe in Riviera Blue that sold recently, and wanted to use it in this post.... but it didn't have the same mileage .... the owner has turned it into to a spectacular car by converting it from a Tiptronic to a 6-speed manual... but the are other 968s that we can use as examples.
anyway, i'll cut to the chase on the 968 vs 993 hypothetical wedding gift.... i didn't want to flame on anyone's enthusiasm for our cars..... i want to make it clear, that there really is nothing special about this 993 and it's option package other than that it was simply ordered from the dealer in Riviera Blue.
but, this may demonstrate how much of a gulf exists between n/a 968s and collectable Porsches.
the last and final day that a you could have purchased the 2 968s from two separate dealer lots in the US,
was probably sometime around late 1995 or early 1996....
and on that day, the better choice would have been to just buy a 993 and choose a pretty color.
.
and you're engaged to marry a rich man's daughter....
one day the rich man says,
"______, i've chosen for you and my daughter the choice of selecting a special wedding gift..... but you have to take either one selection or the other.... and there are only 2 selections from which to choose......
"i'm offering to give you two 1995 Porsche 968 coupes, both with manual transaxle and limited-slip differential that i've got in a sealed container from 2 years ago.... one of them in Riviera Blue, and the other in Blood Orange...."
(as delivered these cars totaled just shy of 90 thousand dollars a couple of years ago)....
"the other selection is a new *1998 Porsche 911.... the car is nothing out of the ordinary. hasn't anything special in particular. no turbo. no sports seats or mag wheels... it's just a Porsche 911 that i've had them make in a color that i find particularly attractive—Riviera Blue."
(as delivered, this car totals just shy of 88 thousand dollars the day it arrives)....
*(the 911 used for the illustration above isn't much different than the 911 that came during the final model year of the 968, so you can't say it isn't from the same general time frame of the above mentioned 968s.... it is)...
which Porsche gift package would you choose ?
(what choice would you make then and now).
If we are talking now, today... From a purely financial point the 993 is the Porsche to pick. Value = $35k - $40 today and some say "appreciating". The is twice what the 968's would bring assuming same condition & mileage. If the year is 1997 then I would have picked the Two 968's.
Raj for the win.
okay, we all know i'm the biggest ***—but let's take a look at a couple results....
i'll update in a couple of days when the sale on the 968 is final.
the word 'rare' is often used to describe a certain number of 968s on many of the threads on this forum... frankly, in the front engine 4, P-car world vs the real world, i'm suspicious.... just what exactly does 'rare' entail ? and if a car is rare how does that compare to other, so-called rare or collectable '80s and '90s cars of the post muscle-car era ?
i take a hard line about any rumours of advancing interest (from the public) that could someday send our car's values upward... so, i'm wondering,
is there really any evidence that this will someday occur ?
Jeff is doing is a great job and i appreciate the database he maintains. yet, i don't think Porsche could give two ****s about any of these cars. i've never seen a 968 shown in any contemporary, officially sanctioned Porsche exhibit or retro event...
with the booming economy of the Reagan-era in full swing, and sales looking pretty good, most of the '90s platforms were sitting on the drawing board, and an excited group of executives to go along.... i can't imagine the disappointment they must have been feeling just a few years later, after the '91 recession hit.... despite the accolades given to the Carrera 4, the early '90s didn't turn out to be so great considering the investments and innovations that had been made.... in the P-car world, we had the 968 and 993 updates, to go along with an newish (sort of), flagship, 928GTS...
....but, the 968 is somewhat of a parody. one thing; is the 968 really a '90s car ? it has leftover 944 styling mixed with some forward nine-five-nine and variocam... but, scant on other '90s tech updates...
so then; does the 968, 928 GTS or (993) end up taking up any space in the mindset of the enthusiast sports car collecting public out there ? well, despite high production, it turns out the purchase of a 993 was to become one of the best Porsche investments ever... it has barely lost any value since it arrived 18 years ago.... cars with very low miles command prices just below sticker. or even better for the coup de grâce of all the super, air/oil cooled 911s — that of course being the 1997 Turbo S (of which only something like 185 were made).
you can't say anything even remotely like this about the 968 or final edition of the 928.
there are scant collectable 968s... (and skipping right over all the Sports and CS cars), there are about 18 or 20 in all..... people have attempted reproductions, but the Porsche (968TS) parts cupboard is now bare..... i think Raj's car represents the truest form of enthusiast mod of any P-car i have ever seen or heard about, ever. surely, tops anything from the entire 20 year production run of front engine, 4 cylinder Porsches.... and technically, doesn't fall one fibre short of a production 968 TS or RS... in real street performance, it destroys all '80s-era prodution 911s, and with a top speed pushing 190 mph (seriously), and if we're talking about the late '80s/early '90s, with it's superior handling, Raj's Turbo S stands side by side with the two best air/oil-cooled 911s ever; the 959, and 1997 993 Turbo S.
yet it's odd — that most people have never heard of a Porsche 968 Turbo S or Turbo RS.
for the rest of us, things are considerably less spectacular..... show me 1 collectable 911 or flagship Porsche from the '80s or '90s besides the 993 and 959 that matters. things get measurably worse for 968s; in my opinion, neither the 968 CS or Sport holds any significance whatsoever in terms of collectability with the automotive buying public at large, and i have no inclination to think they ever will....
the truth, is that nobody in the automotive world (including Porsche) gives a crap about our cars.... in the end, it's a love fest in the lowly 944/968 neighborhood, with a few other P-car owners occasionally peeking in—but no more.... so pardon me, for being curt; there's no reason to get too caught up... if you're interested in getting one, buy any 968 that's been well cared for....
well even i never thought it could get this bad.... there is a beautiful 968 1 of 1 Coupe in Riviera Blue that sold recently, and wanted to use it in this post.... but it didn't have the same mileage .... the owner has turned it into to a spectacular car by converting it from a Tiptronic to a 6-speed manual... but the are other 968s that we can use as examples.
anyway, i'll cut to the chase on the 968 vs 993 hypothetical wedding gift.... i didn't want to flame on anyone's enthusiasm for our cars..... i want to make it clear, that there really is nothing special about this 993 and it's option package other than that it was simply ordered from the dealer in Riviera Blue.
but, this may demonstrate how much of a gulf exists between n/a 968s and collectable Porsches.
the last and final day that a you could have purchased the 2 968s from two separate dealer lots in the US,
was probably sometime around late 1995 or early 1996....
and on that day, the better choice would have been to just buy a 993 and choose a pretty color.
.
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10-01-2012, 01:49 PM
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And porsche/porsche people should appreciate more the standard bearer for performance that rx7 and supraand others tried to emulate. plus the year 944t was the fastest mass roduction car in America kept porsche from its demise.
i couldnt sell my car and buy the compliments it gets with the money. rare is something built in small quarnts . i'll keep rolling for now. there's an exotic show down the street, most ignore the sea of 911s for the Italian stuff. universally, a long hooded front engined sport coupe is viewed as attractive. all porsches handle well and do it historically with less power. that is their edge. i would get a 993 also as i like cars that Dont depreciate.
i couldnt sell my car and buy the compliments it gets with the money. rare is something built in small quarnts . i'll keep rolling for now. there's an exotic show down the street, most ignore the sea of 911s for the Italian stuff. universally, a long hooded front engined sport coupe is viewed as attractive. all porsches handle well and do it historically with less power. that is their edge. i would get a 993 also as i like cars that Dont depreciate.
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not wishing to hijack this thread (LOL) but if anyone would be interested in doing my belts [which are @ 52 k miles now], i'm working in the rectangle formed between Chicago, Omaha, Kansas City and St. Louis until just shortly before Christmas..... you supply the tools, i'll bring cash, strippers, hookers, blow, etc.....
btw, i hit about 1/8th of a complete tractor trailer recap at about 90 mph last night.... i was in the middle of passing on the right behind a partner (in a flight size of two, so i had no chance to avoid it) on I-80 about 70 miles east of Omaha... the hit on the hybrid valance was so hard, the car pushed the fragment completely under the car WHAMMM! .... it must have flexed a great deal because the top section of valance on the driver's side (where meets the front area of the fender), buckled along about a 14 inch section tearing the paint..... also a small section of the lower lip at the point of contact now has a couple of small gouges... this part of the valance rests 5 and a half inches above the tarmac.... i'm very pleased that my efforts resulted in this thing being able to take a hit like this.... i hit much softer than this broke the original valance. this tire fragment would have easily broken the oem nose...
i've got about 30 k miles on the composite nose. i figure if i crash it into something just once in a blue moon like this, i'll live with having to do some work on it and get it resprayed. totally worth the effort in exchange for the pleasure of having it up on the car. the cool thing is the setup should get even better after i mount the aluminum belly pan.
so the next move is to repair the top/side section of the valance with a better grade finishing epoxy (w/ microfibers) that allow fine sanding.
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btw, i hit about 1/8th of a complete tractor trailer recap at about 90 mph last night.... i was in the middle of passing on the right behind a partner (in a flight size of two, so i had no chance to avoid it) on I-80 about 70 miles east of Omaha... the hit on the hybrid valance was so hard, the car pushed the fragment completely under the car WHAMMM! .... it must have flexed a great deal because the top section of valance on the driver's side (where meets the front area of the fender), buckled along about a 14 inch section tearing the paint..... also a small section of the lower lip at the point of contact now has a couple of small gouges... this part of the valance rests 5 and a half inches above the tarmac.... i'm very pleased that my efforts resulted in this thing being able to take a hit like this.... i hit much softer than this broke the original valance. this tire fragment would have easily broken the oem nose...
i've got about 30 k miles on the composite nose. i figure if i crash it into something just once in a blue moon like this, i'll live with having to do some work on it and get it resprayed. totally worth the effort in exchange for the pleasure of having it up on the car. the cool thing is the setup should get even better after i mount the aluminum belly pan.
so the next move is to repair the top/side section of the valance with a better grade finishing epoxy (w/ microfibers) that allow fine sanding.
.
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thanks mate.... i effin love this car !!
near 53 k miles with this timing belt/bs belt set in the hq/can't go wrong category.
a the very good guy on this board who was kind enough to install them for me.....
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...QQGATT152.html
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...3-1624095.html
i'm sure that a bit of shopping around can get us near a Gates bs belt for less.
near 53 k miles with this timing belt/bs belt set in the hq/can't go wrong category.
a the very good guy on this board who was kind enough to install them for me.....
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...QQGATT152.html
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...3-1624095.html
i'm sure that a bit of shopping around can get us near a Gates bs belt for less.
10-19-2012, 12:15 PM
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thanks mate.... i effin love this car !!
near 53 k miles with this timing belt/bs belt set in the hq/can't go wrong category.
a the very good guy on this board who was kind enough to install them for me.....
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...QQGATT152.html
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...3-1624095.html
i'm sure that a bit of shopping around can get us near a Gates bs belt for less.
near 53 k miles with this timing belt/bs belt set in the hq/can't go wrong category.
a the very good guy on this board who was kind enough to install them for me.....
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...QQGATT152.html
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/de...3-1624095.html
i'm sure that a bit of shopping around can get us near a Gates bs belt for less.
Raj
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2 years and 5 months.
there's been rumours that the Gates belts are the new oem equivalent....
here's a set for a very nice price ($65.42 total)....
Mike also assured me these belts don't sit in their warehouse for long (getting old).
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there's been rumours that the Gates belts are the new oem equivalent....
here's a set for a very nice price ($65.42 total)....
Mike also assured me these belts don't sit in their warehouse for long (getting old).
.
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no joke, i'm actually having a bit of post traumatic stress.
felt like the car hit Candy Crowley.... (like as in, a direct hit).
grabbing a bite with a 924 owner
, (Thirdgenbird) this afternoon just outside of Des Moines...maybe he has a camera.
