Originally Posted by cobalt

I was making a general reference as I noted I wasn't judging your cars build. I was attempting to point out that throwing money at a car doesn't always make it better. I know Dawes from >35 years ago and his ex partners. There are many names out there. Some could make something special from those parts but not always. None of these guys are infallible despite their reputations. I have seen an occasional horror story come out of some of the best names in the business.

There are so many factors why one car sells for more than another. I have been checking these out for people for nearly 20 years now and have seen more bad than good. It is very much the flavor of the month with this stuff. I knew of a 3.6T with an IA Steven Kasper build. 15 years ago there was no better name in the business today people ask who?? A great build that couldn't bring stock pricing because nobody knows what he was capable of doing anymore.

Again this comment is not addressing your build at all just things I have observed.

Originally Posted by dmaddox

Crazy conversation, I love it. In full transparency - I had an old (1968) 911 that I fixed up nicely and sold - hoping to have enough cash to buy a 964, knowing they are getting out of control as we are saying. With a little saving and selling the 68, I was able to find a C2 with 95k miles VERY clean and original 1993.

At the time (September of this year, 2021), I thought I overpaid by 20k, when I paid 85,000. It is all original outside of coil overs/original cup1's and side decal.... all the way down to the windshield, with a documented history and binder of receipts.

After seeing how the market is going, I feel like I bought a few shares of 1999 Amazon.

My ultimate dream is a 964 Turbo, but that is slowly slipping away. I guess I don't mind as much anymore because I am loving this C2 so much. I mean....I love the thing. Outside of monoballs and some tasteful upgrades - it will remain original (or easily returned to it.).

So, to be honest - I love seeing the prices go up - but....Knowing there are people looking to buy, it sucks, just like it sucks to say I'll probably never have a 964 Turbo, let alone a 3.8. 600k offer? Haters will hate, but I'd say congrats bro, that is awesome - and you should feel like a king knowing you will shortly have a 1mill$ car....especially with the bad boys auction in Jan - that will boost awareness and hit the market too. Enjoy the ride. I'm on Long Island and would love to see it sometime @cobalt .

Cheers - (instagarm @maddoxpaddocks)

Here is my pride and joy:

Originally Posted by dmaddox

Crazy conversation, I love it. In full transparency - I had an old (1968) 911 that I fixed up nicely and sold - hoping to have enough cash to buy a 964, knowing they are getting out of control as we are saying. With a little saving and selling the 68, I was able to find a C2 with 95k miles VERY clean and original 1993.

At the time (September of this year, 2021), I thought I overpaid by 20k, when I paid 85,000. It is all original outside of coil overs/original cup1's and side decal.... all the way down to the windshield, with a documented history and binder of receipts.

After seeing how the market is going, I feel like I bought a few shares of 1999 Amazon.

My ultimate dream is a 964 Turbo, but that is slowly slipping away. I guess I don't mind as much anymore because I am loving this C2 so much. I mean....I love the thing. Outside of monoballs and some tasteful upgrades - it will remain original (or easily returned to it.).

So, to be honest - I love seeing the prices go up - but....Knowing there are people looking to buy, it sucks, just like it sucks to say I'll probably never have a 964 Turbo, let alone a 3.8. 600k offer? Haters will hate, but I'd say congrats bro, that is awesome - and you should feel like a king knowing you will shortly have a 1mill$ car....especially with the bad boys auction in Jan - that will boost awareness and hit the market too. Enjoy the ride. I'm on Long Island and would love to see it sometime @cobalt .

Cheers - (instagarm @maddoxpaddocks)

Here is my pride and joy:

Originally Posted by Jmw1234

Thanks for the input

It is a moving market for sure
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i can tell you its a million dollar feeling the way the ohlins & guard lsd put power down in a na 365 hp 2600 lb 964

The car moves about in ways unlike any car I've ever driven

Originally Posted by cobalt

Trust me I know how far these can be improved upon. My new engine will be a bit overkill with at least 450 whp and tq detuned. The prior engine was only putting down 330 whp and tq on a mustang. It has short gear 993 6 speed with steel synchros, forks and a guard 40/60 lsd which you can feel working. With the RSR body and suspension setup with MCS 3WR and full monoballs it is an experience very different than when I tracked a stockish C2 for nearly 10 years. I like low boost turbo systems they feel very much like an N/A car on track. Even the recently purchased Dan Jacobs club race build is a joy with the guard LSD short gears and only 250 whp and 260 tq and all the rest. Although IMO nothing like a wide body using the rear trailing arms of a narrow body as the ultimate setup.

The question is what will the market bare? The problem is thinking about values is just taking the joy out of owning these days.

BTW I am helping sell this beauty if anyone is interested in a fine machine these US spec cup cars are something special.



BTW some nice cars. Thanks for posting.

Originally Posted by cobalt

I have the factory 993 evo uprights with the 993 front logitudinals up front on my RSR build pushing out the front end 12.5mm per side. I don't run my cars lower than RS height on the street so I think they are bit overkill. I haven't seen the BBi units up close but looks like they did their homework. I needed to add electric power steering to it since the force needed to push push those 245's up front is getting to be too much for an old man like me.

Lightness does help. For me it is more of a track necessity than street. On the street by me at least the car gets thrown around a lot more when you drop as much weight as the CUP/RS. I would be more interested in a well built engine and a short geared box than a lightweight car for use unless you live with twisties in your back yard. If only.

Getting off topic but this is as low as I can go without slicing up some rubber on the RSR build. I would rather have the wider track than the lower car. Already removed as much weight up high as I can.

Originally Posted by pchap

I’m a fan of stock Porsche’s.. but there is something very special about a 911 that has been upgraded by a knowledgeable builder, just like what Cobalt did with his beautiful RSR build, that cannot be experienced in an all original 964. In 2018, I was lucky enough to get my hands on a C2 that was loved and tastefully upgraded by a proper Porsche head. I just felt that it was imperative to carry on the good work and bring it, within a loose level of reason, to the best state an atmospheric 964 engine can safely withstand (4.0L/405hp) in an eco system that brings the best out of that platform.
A hotrod, surely, but such an event to drive.