Great AMERICAN 964s for sale
#7081
I’m hoping to get some opinions or maybe someone knows this car. It started off as a C4 Cabriolet and has been modified into a tribute car. I have a friend who has been trying to get a 964 and came across this. I’m giving him direction but figured the real experts are here. I was a little shocked when he said they wanted $190K for it. That seems excessive for a modded C4 Cab but I don’t know if there is a lot of money into this build. It’s a dealer out of FL called K2 Motorcars. Here is the link.
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...1/2476477.html
Any advice, opinions or if someone knows the car...I’d love to give my friend some helpful information.
Thanks.
https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds...1/2476477.html
Any advice, opinions or if someone knows the car...I’d love to give my friend some helpful information.
Thanks.
#7083
Rennlist Member
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9SIX4-C4 (05-07-2021)
#7084
Rennlist Member
Actually IMO if you plan to do a complete rebuild I look for the car that is unloved. I would prefer to leave the clean unmolested cars for those who want one. It is actually less expensive to rebuild a car with needs than spending up for a clean car and doing everything over.
with interest in 964s at an all-time high, it only makes sense (to me) to save the remaining nice examples. to be honest, it would make more sense to back-date 993 coupes, as there are more of them and, at the moment, less interest in the NBs. as i've been told, with demand for back-dates is still high and based on what can be charged for them, the trend might not slow down any time soon. personally, i think it would be a shame to lose more and more 964s for a 'restomod' that may not always be more desirable.
#7085
Rennlist Member
Actually IMO if you plan to do a complete rebuild I look for the car that is unloved. I would prefer to leave the clean unmolested cars for those who want one. It is actually less expensive to rebuild a car with needs than spending up for a clean car and doing everything over. To do it right requires tearing everything down and addressing age related items and modifying things.
I've only done it one way and you clearly have more experience. However, I do find it hard to believe there isn't a case to be made on the other side of that argument of cost vs starting point. One example is that I had to spend a small fortune sourcing a low mile crank and matching intermediate shaft when I rebuild the motor in my previously unloved 964. These are the types of issues you surely would avoid if you start with an ultra low mile example.
I guess it depends on the level of build/hot rod you intend. If you just want a nice driver with springs/dampers, wheels, goldenrod, and an exhaust, a 19k mile car is certainly a nicer thing to have than an unloved car.
#7086
Rennlist Member
I completely respect the idea of leaving the unmolested cars as is for the future. I'm just acknowledging that some buyers simply don't care, and if I had all the money in the world, I'd have a hard time buying a beat up car to make into my dream 964.
I've only done it one way and you clearly have more experience. However, I do find it hard to believe there isn't a case to be made on the other side of that argument of cost vs starting point. One example is that I had to spend a small fortune sourcing a low mile crank and matching intermediate shaft when I rebuild the motor in my previously unloved 964. These are the types of issues you surely would avoid if you start with an ultra low mile example.
I guess it depends on the level of build/hot rod you intend. If you just want a nice driver with springs/dampers, wheels, goldenrod, and an exhaust, a 19k mile car is certainly a nicer thing to have than an unloved car.
I've only done it one way and you clearly have more experience. However, I do find it hard to believe there isn't a case to be made on the other side of that argument of cost vs starting point. One example is that I had to spend a small fortune sourcing a low mile crank and matching intermediate shaft when I rebuild the motor in my previously unloved 964. These are the types of issues you surely would avoid if you start with an ultra low mile example.
I guess it depends on the level of build/hot rod you intend. If you just want a nice driver with springs/dampers, wheels, goldenrod, and an exhaust, a 19k mile car is certainly a nicer thing to have than an unloved car.
No doubt if you are looking to do bolt on reversible mods if you can afford the best why not. But for full builds as many of these are it is a waste of a good 964 and money. Far too many open check book buyers these days that have more money than brains IMO. If I had all the money in the world why not buy a car with needs and spend the money as needed what would it matter when money means little? I usually replace many of the factory parts as singer does and have parts custom built anyhow. Essentially you want a straight tub and a sound engine case and transmission housing, but honestly a good shop can repair anything. The $30-50k or more saved on buying a basket case can go a long way if you know what to look for and have access to those who know what to do.
I see open checkbook builds and people spending so much more than they need to. $50k on an engine build that should have cost $25k and $80k on poor paint and metal fabrication. Her is an a example not a 964 but what was a pristine clean early tub car that the owner wanted an RS clone. He paid a shop nearly $80k for body extensions and full paint job. The shop is well known CA specializing in 911's and the owner through huge money at it. They took him for a ride apparently as a year later the car started having issues. The miles of filler used was disgusting and amateur work all day long. This car started life as a low mile pristine example and now the owner is paying a second time to have it done properly.
#7087
Rennlist Member
Hard pass on that C4 cab conversion for $190k. That's insanity!!! Obviously extensive labor but not worth it for the end result IMO.
#7088
Burning Brakes
THIS!
with interest in 964s at an all-time high, it only makes sense (to me) to save the remaining nice examples. to be honest, it would make more sense to back-date 993 coupes, as there are more of them and, at the moment, less interest in the NBs. as i've been told, with demand for back-dates is still high and based on what can be charged for them, the trend might not slow down any time soon. personally, i think it would be a shame to lose more and more 964s for a 'restomod' that may not always be more desirable.
with interest in 964s at an all-time high, it only makes sense (to me) to save the remaining nice examples. to be honest, it would make more sense to back-date 993 coupes, as there are more of them and, at the moment, less interest in the NBs. as i've been told, with demand for back-dates is still high and based on what can be charged for them, the trend might not slow down any time soon. personally, i think it would be a shame to lose more and more 964s for a 'restomod' that may not always be more desirable.
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9SIX4-C4 (05-08-2021)
#7089
Stronger price than I thought it would bring ... makes me feel really good about my Fashion Gray ground up restoration.
I have had a number of unsolicited inquiries about buying it (it's NOT for sale).
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...911-carrera-7/
I have had a number of unsolicited inquiries about buying it (it's NOT for sale).
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...911-carrera-7/
#7090
Three Wheelin'
Stronger price than I thought it would bring ... makes me feel really good about my Fashion Gray ground up restoration.
I have had a number of unsolicited inquiries about buying it (it's NOT for sale).
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...911-carrera-7/
I have had a number of unsolicited inquiries about buying it (it's NOT for sale).
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...911-carrera-7/
#7091
Ludicrous pricing. 2 horse race from the $115k mark + $25k after that. I’m glad I got into this game years ago when I could. My goodness....
#7092
Nordschleife Master
Looking at a result like that, then thinking back to the full rotisserie restoration Ninemeister 9m64RS on pcarmarket that sold for the same price some months ago, it still amazes me how someone practically stole that 9M car.
Last edited by Vandit; 05-19-2021 at 12:19 AM.
#7093
so hard to comprehend what's happening in this market.
My 964 is a full hotrod build with essentially stock (but rebuilt) motor. The last of the cosmetic stuff was detailed in a thread Moe Mistry put up, but i never included any of the mechanical work details. The money was spent in suspension, brakes, shifting, setup, and redoing things that needed redone. I've had a number of inquiries, but they range from "I don't understand what makes it so expensive" to "just tell me what it will take to buy it". And then you see one like this that bids from 115 in a frenzy to get it... just makes you wonder what's reality these days.
My 964 is a full hotrod build with essentially stock (but rebuilt) motor. The last of the cosmetic stuff was detailed in a thread Moe Mistry put up, but i never included any of the mechanical work details. The money was spent in suspension, brakes, shifting, setup, and redoing things that needed redone. I've had a number of inquiries, but they range from "I don't understand what makes it so expensive" to "just tell me what it will take to buy it". And then you see one like this that bids from 115 in a frenzy to get it... just makes you wonder what's reality these days.
#7094
Not sure, that 9M car had a bad story. Misplaced parts and drivetrain. End result was nice, but stories are never good. Just my opinion.
#7095
Nordschleife Master
And the 9M car could not be replicated for even $200k yet only got bid and sold for $140ish. It's like there are folks chomping at the bit to throw down six-figures but know little to nothing about what they're buying.