Great AMERICAN 964s for sale
02-26-2019, 06:26 PM
#5101
Racer
BTW Tarek's car fetched $63k plus preem plus tax etc. Given the desirable color combo, sport seats cup 1s and (ahem) LSD, I thought it was well bought.
Especially when you consider what they are asking for the horror show that is the poor man's Singer Targa in white..........
Especially when you consider what they are asking for the horror show that is the poor man's Singer Targa in white..........
02-26-2019, 06:37 PM
#5102
Three Wheelin'
Sweet ROW just popped up on BAT also.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-carrera-2-13/
Last edited by Bloose993TT; 02-26-2019 at 07:04 PM.
02-26-2019, 07:59 PM
#5103
^^^ IDK, I am not to be confused with Bell Verburg but it sure seems if the mileage is accurate, those were hard miles. I have 150k on the clock and my interior looks better, I don't have red paint all over the undercarriage either.
02-26-2019, 08:07 PM
#5104
Instructor
I’m curious to hear more comments from others on here that know a lot more than I do.
02-26-2019, 09:05 PM
#5105
Instructor
BTW Tarek's car fetched $63k plus preem plus tax etc. Given the desirable color combo, sport seats cup 1s and (ahem) LSD, I thought it was well bought.
Especially when you consider what they are asking for the horror show that is the poor man's Singer Targa in white..........
Especially when you consider what they are asking for the horror show that is the poor man's Singer Targa in white..........
02-26-2019, 09:55 PM
#5106
Three Wheelin'
02-26-2019, 10:05 PM
#5107
Rennlist Member
02-26-2019, 10:42 PM
#5108
Rennlist Member
Your eye is better than mine i don’t see the paintwork. Car looks ok but the wheel and tire package and alignment looks off. Rake looks wrong.
Seats look more worn than I’d expect
and you will not be able to register this car in California without spending huge bux at a certification lab. Please trust me here.
There is a reason this car is in Malibu and wearing az plates
Seats look more worn than I’d expect
and you will not be able to register this car in California without spending huge bux at a certification lab. Please trust me here.
There is a reason this car is in Malibu and wearing az plates
02-26-2019, 11:11 PM
#5109
Your eye is better than mine i don’t see the paintwork. Car looks ok but the wheel and tire package and alignment looks off. Rake looks wrong.
Seats look more worn than I’d expect
and you will not be able to register this car in California without spending huge bux at a certification lab. Please trust me here.
There is a reason this car is in Malibu and wearing az plates
Seats look more worn than I’d expect
and you will not be able to register this car in California without spending huge bux at a certification lab. Please trust me here.
There is a reason this car is in Malibu and wearing az plates
Besides the lack of bumperettes and the not optioned sunroof, it’s no different at all than a North America 964 C2.
02-26-2019, 11:33 PM
#5110
Rennlist Member
^ Not exactly sure what you’re referring to, maybe Tarek’s recent sale on BAT? I think that car sold fair for both parties. Having driven it it was well represented.
This japanese car is cleaner for sure, but it’s an import. Were this a NA car it would sell w/o being advertised probably for 80k+ Easy.
Ok i just looked at the pictures again.
I see the paint overspray
It’s from painting the sills
Yes, has a different brake and rotor package
Paint looks very clean
Seats and shifter are VERY worn for the miles. My car had 95k miles on it when i removed the sport seats and they are in much better condition. Some wear on the deviated piping but none of the odd wear seen here
The shifter looks bizarre for the miles
The rest of the interior looks really clean
Dont like the wheels and alignment
its missing the sound cover like all of them
underside looks ok, just dirty. If it was driven in japan in the wet, and it rains a lot there, that would explain it.
It has the emissions sticker on the door rest like they do in these cars in japan
stereo and speakers are aftermarket
The aftermarket wiring on the battery is likely for the radio and ETC (electronic toll collection) which i don’t see in the car but there is a manual for it in the documentation. This is a japanese toll tag system that uses a SIM card type thing for payment. It’s super hight tech, you start the car and it talks to you and when you go through toll booths it tells you the toll with audio. It’s kinda crazy.
I suspect the car is actually a 90, didn’t they go to airbags worldwide in 91? US got them in 90 model year.
The latest Shaken (japanese inspection) was in Jan 2018, you can see the pictures they are what they look like LOL. The bottom numbers are tire and brake measurements.
Anyway, overall the car looks clean. Japanese are pretty meticulous and if the records show the miles then i’d Have not reason to doubt they are accurate.
If anyone here is serious about the car and wants help with the japanese records PM me offline. But only if serious. I only get so many favors from the wife to review car documents :-)
Oh and sorry the car is registered in SD, not AZ. You won’t be able to register this in CA. You can likely title it, but not get tags and register it.
This japanese car is cleaner for sure, but it’s an import. Were this a NA car it would sell w/o being advertised probably for 80k+ Easy.
Ok i just looked at the pictures again.
I see the paint overspray
It’s from painting the sills
Yes, has a different brake and rotor package
Paint looks very clean
Seats and shifter are VERY worn for the miles. My car had 95k miles on it when i removed the sport seats and they are in much better condition. Some wear on the deviated piping but none of the odd wear seen here
The shifter looks bizarre for the miles
The rest of the interior looks really clean
Dont like the wheels and alignment
its missing the sound cover like all of them
underside looks ok, just dirty. If it was driven in japan in the wet, and it rains a lot there, that would explain it.
It has the emissions sticker on the door rest like they do in these cars in japan
stereo and speakers are aftermarket
The aftermarket wiring on the battery is likely for the radio and ETC (electronic toll collection) which i don’t see in the car but there is a manual for it in the documentation. This is a japanese toll tag system that uses a SIM card type thing for payment. It’s super hight tech, you start the car and it talks to you and when you go through toll booths it tells you the toll with audio. It’s kinda crazy.
I suspect the car is actually a 90, didn’t they go to airbags worldwide in 91? US got them in 90 model year.
The latest Shaken (japanese inspection) was in Jan 2018, you can see the pictures they are what they look like LOL. The bottom numbers are tire and brake measurements.
Anyway, overall the car looks clean. Japanese are pretty meticulous and if the records show the miles then i’d Have not reason to doubt they are accurate.
If anyone here is serious about the car and wants help with the japanese records PM me offline. But only if serious. I only get so many favors from the wife to review car documents :-)
Oh and sorry the car is registered in SD, not AZ. You won’t be able to register this in CA. You can likely title it, but not get tags and register it.
02-27-2019, 12:36 AM
#5111
GT3 player par excellence
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02-27-2019, 08:28 AM
#5112
Rennlist Member
^ Not exactly sure what you’re referring to, maybe Tarek’s recent sale on BAT? I think that car sold fair for both parties. Having driven it it was well represented.
This japanese car is cleaner for sure, but it’s an import. Were this a NA car it would sell w/o being advertised probably for 80k+ Easy.
Ok i just looked at the pictures again.
I see the paint overspray
It’s from painting the sills
Yes, has a different brake and rotor package
Paint looks very clean
Seats and shifter are VERY worn for the miles. My car had 95k miles on it when i removed the sport seats and they are in much better condition. Some wear on the deviated piping but none of the odd wear seen here
The shifter looks bizarre for the miles
The rest of the interior looks really clean
Dont like the wheels and alignment
its missing the sound cover like all of them
underside looks ok, just dirty. If it was driven in japan in the wet, and it rains a lot there, that would explain it.
It has the emissions sticker on the door rest like they do in these cars in japan
stereo and speakers are aftermarket
The aftermarket wiring on the battery is likely for the radio and ETC (electronic toll collection) which i don’t see in the car but there is a manual for it in the documentation. This is a japanese toll tag system that uses a SIM card type thing for payment. It’s super hight tech, you start the car and it talks to you and when you go through toll booths it tells you the toll with audio. It’s kinda crazy.
I suspect the car is actually a 90, didn’t they go to airbags worldwide in 91? US got them in 90 model year.
The latest Shaken (japanese inspection) was in Jan 2018, you can see the pictures they are what they look like LOL. The bottom numbers are tire and brake measurements.
Anyway, overall the car looks clean. Japanese are pretty meticulous and if the records show the miles then i’d Have not reason to doubt they are accurate.
If anyone here is serious about the car and wants help with the japanese records PM me offline. But only if serious. I only get so many favors from the wife to review car documents :-)
Oh and sorry the car is registered in SD, not AZ. You won’t be able to register this in CA. You can likely title it, but not get tags and register it.
This japanese car is cleaner for sure, but it’s an import. Were this a NA car it would sell w/o being advertised probably for 80k+ Easy.
Ok i just looked at the pictures again.
I see the paint overspray
It’s from painting the sills
Yes, has a different brake and rotor package
Paint looks very clean
Seats and shifter are VERY worn for the miles. My car had 95k miles on it when i removed the sport seats and they are in much better condition. Some wear on the deviated piping but none of the odd wear seen here
The shifter looks bizarre for the miles
The rest of the interior looks really clean
Dont like the wheels and alignment
its missing the sound cover like all of them
underside looks ok, just dirty. If it was driven in japan in the wet, and it rains a lot there, that would explain it.
It has the emissions sticker on the door rest like they do in these cars in japan
stereo and speakers are aftermarket
The aftermarket wiring on the battery is likely for the radio and ETC (electronic toll collection) which i don’t see in the car but there is a manual for it in the documentation. This is a japanese toll tag system that uses a SIM card type thing for payment. It’s super hight tech, you start the car and it talks to you and when you go through toll booths it tells you the toll with audio. It’s kinda crazy.
I suspect the car is actually a 90, didn’t they go to airbags worldwide in 91? US got them in 90 model year.
The latest Shaken (japanese inspection) was in Jan 2018, you can see the pictures they are what they look like LOL. The bottom numbers are tire and brake measurements.
Anyway, overall the car looks clean. Japanese are pretty meticulous and if the records show the miles then i’d Have not reason to doubt they are accurate.
If anyone here is serious about the car and wants help with the japanese records PM me offline. But only if serious. I only get so many favors from the wife to review car documents :-)
Oh and sorry the car is registered in SD, not AZ. You won’t be able to register this in CA. You can likely title it, but not get tags and register it.
I agree the interior other than the seats does look clean. Does anyone now if the Japanese cars have different carpet sets than the US? I knoow the rear seats are different. There is a seam in the rear I have never seen before so I suspect unless they do the carpet has been replaced. It is also poorly fit along the bottom of the rear seat backs. I correct my earlier comment the brakes are earlier 91-92 turbo or RS style from what I can tell. I also see that the odo is sitting off the dash so it has been removed at least once. Car also retains the RHD headlights which are less than ideal for US driving.
02-27-2019, 09:41 AM
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02-27-2019, 12:40 PM
#5114
Addict
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This is also a very early engine number 03084 not even close to the cutoff of 06837 so you might be correct about it being a 90 but the vin is M coded making it a 91. Again this doesn't add up. The engine is awfully clean while the trailing arms are black with grime on a car that never had cosmoline? That does not add up. .
02-27-2019, 12:46 PM
#5115
Rennlist Member
LOL - drama in 964 nerd-land !!!
Car looks pretty good overall I think... but clearly 'massaged' for best possible effect. Is it hard to mess with the odometer on these ROW cars? Always wonder on these older cars with simple speedo/odos...
And I agree the stance seems off - maybe the wheels have the wrong offsets or the alignment/camber/rake is off. Car is not sitting right.
Still it is pretty clean one, potential issues aside, but not for a California buyer.
Anthony proves again he has a terrific eye for the details and a logical mind... I was also struck by lack of any paint chips on the front end yet somewhat messy undercarriage. These old cars typically have dried out paint that will chip easily when driven, if the paint is still original.
^ Not exactly sure what you’re referring to, maybe Tarek’s recent sale on BAT? I think that car sold fair for both parties. Having driven it it was well represented.
This japanese car is cleaner for sure, but it’s an import. Were this a NA car it would sell w/o being advertised probably for 80k+ Easy.
Ok i just looked at the pictures again.
I see the paint overspray
It’s from painting the sills
Yes, has a different brake and rotor package
Paint looks very clean
Seats and shifter are VERY worn for the miles. My car had 95k miles on it when i removed the sport seats and they are in much better condition. Some wear on the deviated piping but none of the odd wear seen here
The shifter looks bizarre for the miles
The rest of the interior looks really clean
Dont like the wheels and alignment
its missing the sound cover like all of them
underside looks ok, just dirty. If it was driven in japan in the wet, and it rains a lot there, that would explain it.
It has the emissions sticker on the door rest like they do in these cars in japan
stereo and speakers are aftermarket
The aftermarket wiring on the battery is likely for the radio and ETC (electronic toll collection) which i don’t see in the car but there is a manual for it in the documentation. This is a japanese toll tag system that uses a SIM card type thing for payment. It’s super hight tech, you start the car and it talks to you and when you go through toll booths it tells you the toll with audio. It’s kinda crazy.
I suspect the car is actually a 90, didn’t they go to airbags worldwide in 91? US got them in 90 model year.
The latest Shaken (japanese inspection) was in Jan 2018, you can see the pictures they are what they look like LOL. The bottom numbers are tire and brake measurements.
Anyway, overall the car looks clean. Japanese are pretty meticulous and if the records show the miles then i’d Have not reason to doubt they are accurate.
If anyone here is serious about the car and wants help with the japanese records PM me offline. But only if serious. I only get so many favors from the wife to review car documents :-)
Oh and sorry the car is registered in SD, not AZ. You won’t be able to register this in CA. You can likely title it, but not get tags and register it.
This japanese car is cleaner for sure, but it’s an import. Were this a NA car it would sell w/o being advertised probably for 80k+ Easy.
Ok i just looked at the pictures again.
I see the paint overspray
It’s from painting the sills
Yes, has a different brake and rotor package
Paint looks very clean
Seats and shifter are VERY worn for the miles. My car had 95k miles on it when i removed the sport seats and they are in much better condition. Some wear on the deviated piping but none of the odd wear seen here
The shifter looks bizarre for the miles
The rest of the interior looks really clean
Dont like the wheels and alignment
its missing the sound cover like all of them
underside looks ok, just dirty. If it was driven in japan in the wet, and it rains a lot there, that would explain it.
It has the emissions sticker on the door rest like they do in these cars in japan
stereo and speakers are aftermarket
The aftermarket wiring on the battery is likely for the radio and ETC (electronic toll collection) which i don’t see in the car but there is a manual for it in the documentation. This is a japanese toll tag system that uses a SIM card type thing for payment. It’s super hight tech, you start the car and it talks to you and when you go through toll booths it tells you the toll with audio. It’s kinda crazy.
I suspect the car is actually a 90, didn’t they go to airbags worldwide in 91? US got them in 90 model year.
The latest Shaken (japanese inspection) was in Jan 2018, you can see the pictures they are what they look like LOL. The bottom numbers are tire and brake measurements.
Anyway, overall the car looks clean. Japanese are pretty meticulous and if the records show the miles then i’d Have not reason to doubt they are accurate.
If anyone here is serious about the car and wants help with the japanese records PM me offline. But only if serious. I only get so many favors from the wife to review car documents :-)
Oh and sorry the car is registered in SD, not AZ. You won’t be able to register this in CA. You can likely title it, but not get tags and register it.
And I agree the stance seems off - maybe the wheels have the wrong offsets or the alignment/camber/rake is off. Car is not sitting right.
Still it is pretty clean one, potential issues aside, but not for a California buyer.
So who paints rockers on the car? There is clear overspray on undercarriage of the passenger side from having it resprayed. I find it odd that I can't find a blemish anyplace. Without clear film coverage there has to be some minor peppering or paintwork. This is also a very early engine number 03084 not even close to the cutoff of 06837 so you might be correct about it being a 90 but the vin is M coded making it a 91. Again this doesn't add up. The engine is awfully clean while the trailing arms are black with grime on a car that never had cosmoline? That does not add up. If there was engine work it isn't mentioned I question if the undercarriage grime comes from 38k miles of driving in the rain.
I agree the interior other than the seats does look clean. Does anyone now if the Japanese cars have different carpet sets than the US? I knoow the rear seats are different. There is a seam in the rear I have never seen before so I suspect unless they do the carpet has been replaced. It is also poorly fit along the bottom of the rear seat backs. I correct my earlier comment the brakes are earlier 91-92 turbo or RS style from what I can tell. I also see that the odo is sitting off the dash so it has been removed at least once. Car also retains the RHD headlights which are less than ideal for US driving.
I agree the interior other than the seats does look clean. Does anyone now if the Japanese cars have different carpet sets than the US? I knoow the rear seats are different. There is a seam in the rear I have never seen before so I suspect unless they do the carpet has been replaced. It is also poorly fit along the bottom of the rear seat backs. I correct my earlier comment the brakes are earlier 91-92 turbo or RS style from what I can tell. I also see that the odo is sitting off the dash so it has been removed at least once. Car also retains the RHD headlights which are less than ideal for US driving.