cobalt

I just received a 993 I am helping a friend out with. BaT sale somewhat recently. Don't ask me which one. A very nice car the owner will be having some fun with.

After reading the comments by the seller on this one and sifting through the mindless comments by some well known posters and other ra ra's, it was so easy for the seller to skirt the questions about paint and other items that were overly exaggerated. Yet the stupid stuff was in full detail and when some serious questions asked they were put down by others and disregarded.

All I will say as not to offend in case the owner is reading this but there are many things that the seller clearly had to know about and was misleading in how it was worded. Which could be BaT since they write up the listing, but the sellers comments clearly were IMO deceitful as he knew what he did does not qualify as fixing the issues, being honest about the paint and other aspects of the car.

I no longer see any cars trade hands that don't have a series of issues the sellers had to have known about and clearly omitted or skirted questions about.

Paolo1

Cobalt did you see the black 964 post without pics and holt and sell before the photos developed ? How did I know that would happen

s65e90

Caveat Emptor, these are old cars. Like anything else do your due diligence.

cobalt

Most of the time it is a first time air cooled buyer that ends up with these. It is easy to be taken if you don't suspect or assume they are like newer cars. The 993 ends up being a very nice driver that presents well but is far from original condition and has some obvious needs the seller had to have known about or claimed he addressed and failed miserably.

RapidGT

These two RS America’s have been on the market for awhile being passed around a few different dealers. They started off with Ray Joseph at RPM Sports Cars for a few years, then went to All Things Porsche for about a year, and now are at Marshall Goldman. They are priced very high, but are both pristine examples when I saw them at RPM Sports Cars last year. The red one has all four options and the white has A/C and sunroof.

Red one:
https://www.marshallgoldmanbh.com/us...merica-c-2849/

White one:
https://www.marshallgoldmanbh.com/us...merica-c-2845/

cobalt

If Ray had them I suspect they are pristine. However with sunroof optioned on both IMO not worth the money. No special colors just low miles.

RapidGT

Not the top of the market anymore, but even if it still was they would be under $250k. The most desirable RSA’s have LSD and no sunroof. Both of these cars have sunroof’s and the white one has no LSD. Even if they were optioned right still IMO not worth what they’re asking. The colors on the normal palette from what I’ve seen all seem to do about the same. PTS ones bring a crazy premium of $50k-$100k as there are only 8 known to exist.

ChrisI

My C4 just rolled over 363,000 KM...would be nice if you were right! All I know is I drive it wherever and whenever I please, and that's worth a heck of a lot more to me than it's "market value".

das76

THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

964Luftballoon

This exactly. I bought my C4 with a 197k miles and did a full engine rebuild. I'd be happy if my younger brother will be able to sell for 60-80k if he decides to after I kick the bucket. Till then I daily drive in traffic, attend autox, backcountry road spirited drives. Hell I put like 6 bags of mulch in the back seats from Home Depot. (I did clean it up shortly after) and do other random errands with it.

I sound like a broken record to my local PCA pals but I tell them. Drive the damn car you're on this earth for a short time. Stop saving it for the next person.

das76

@964Luftballoon here you go.....

964Luftballoon

YUP!!!!!

forbiddenbeat

True, I suppose it would be nice to just have a field in BaT for this. I suppose it always depends on the seller however. Some come out straight away with details on repaint history, paint meter readings, etc., and some don't seem to have a clue that this stuff matters or are hiding something.

rjf

I never understand the sentiment against RSAs with sunroofs. I honestly do not have a bias either way, even though my RSA has a sunroof from the factory.

At the prices these are commanding, is anyone taking them out on track, experiencing whatever impact of a higher center of gravity resulting from the extra weight up top?

I can see where the argument had more value back in the mid and late 90s when perhaps a lot of RSAs were used on track; but at this point, really, for the majority of owners, what’s the issue with a factory-equipped RSA with sunroof? Porsche certainly didn’t have an issue building them.

jeff33702

I would have preferred no sunroof on my RSA…just because, to me, Motorsport is frequently paired with simplification..the less is more aspect. That said, I’m not really worried about it. I know one factor that makes sense is helmet room for tall drivers but that applies to all C2s and I see plenty of people on track with those, too.