RS America or Not?
05-19-2003, 11:16 PM
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Don: Low mileage is one thing; never been driven is another. Not even test driven. There must be a thousand possible one-liners for that car. Maybe that's the same RSA that was advertised with 17 miles a little while ago, but several prospective buyers have gone for test pushes. If someone steers the car while someone else pushes, does that count as driving? It's never been demonstrated that the car will even drive.
Oh, I found it in my Certificate of Authenticity packet: 718 = built with left over RS tub. Just kidding.
Oh, I found it in my Certificate of Authenticity packet: 718 = built with left over RS tub. Just kidding.
05-19-2003, 11:20 PM
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Would anyone know where to go to find out what "718" defines?
OT, anyone know if this thread is nearing a record on the 964 board for replies?
OT, anyone know if this thread is nearing a record on the 964 board for replies?
05-19-2003, 11:20 PM
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Jim, That was good. Or they could just drive in reverse.
I found a very interesting definition as a footnote to a production chart. It reads "Option M718 refers to a 1993 mid-year specification change." You decide what that may mean. Jim you could be right! Or??
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I found a very interesting definition as a footnote to a production chart. It reads "Option M718 refers to a 1993 mid-year specification change." You decide what that may mean. Jim you could be right! Or??
Best,
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05-20-2003, 02:45 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by ltc:
<strong>...OT, anyone know if this thread is nearing a record on the 964 board for replies?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Aww - that isn't close to the Rennlist record <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ... Try 112 pages with 2,780 posts - and it's still going.!!!.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
You folks on this Forum have to write a lot more..!! I'll try to find the record for this Forum, though - this one has got to be one of the larger threads...
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You folks on this Forum have to write a lot more..!! I'll try to find the record for this Forum, though - this one has got to be one of the larger threads...
05-20-2003, 06:19 PM
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""I found a very interesting definition as a footnote to a production chart. It reads "Option M718 refers to a 1993 mid-year specification change." You decide what that may mean. Jim you could be right! Or??
718 means bulit as next years model
it was brought up to the next year spec, and sold as the next year model
ie: my 964 was built in june 1993 and was sold and titled as a 1994
it has the 718 option code on it
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718 means bulit as next years model
it was brought up to the next year spec, and sold as the next year model
ie: my 964 was built in june 1993 and was sold and titled as a 1994
it has the 718 option code on it
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05-20-2003, 06:55 PM
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So that's where the 718 comes in.
This is interesting to find that 1994 RSA cars were also started before regular 1993 production ended. I guess this means the early production 1993 cars and the early production 1994 cars would be M718 "built as next years model" cars, right?
Wonder how many times in the past Porsche has used the M718 code, or in fact when they ever started production of a next years model before the current year was finished. <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />
This is interesting to find that 1994 RSA cars were also started before regular 1993 production ended. I guess this means the early production 1993 cars and the early production 1994 cars would be M718 "built as next years model" cars, right?
Wonder how many times in the past Porsche has used the M718 code, or in fact when they ever started production of a next years model before the current year was finished. <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />
05-20-2003, 07:20 PM
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I think you see it a lot in 1993 and 1994 models because they were the very last handmade P cars
Also there was a shake up at Porsche as they stopped production on all models after that.....dumped the 964 968 928. and started looking at new models 993 and later 986
My 1993 968 was built just months before the 1995 model 968s
and now ... we even have SUVs ......
they need to make an aircooled 911 and a front engine sports car, like the 968
Randal
Also there was a shake up at Porsche as they stopped production on all models after that.....dumped the 964 968 928. and started looking at new models 993 and later 986
My 1993 968 was built just months before the 1995 model 968s
and now ... we even have SUVs ......
they need to make an aircooled 911 and a front engine sports car, like the 968
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05-20-2003, 09:15 PM
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Question regarding the 718:
Porsche built 72 (according to KeithV) 1994 RSA's (RS in the VIN rather than PS). 94's had rear seats installed rather than storage bins.
This doesn't seem to make sense with regards to the previous threads on 718.
My 94 does not have a 718 stamp on the hood sticker.
Porsche built 72 (according to KeithV) 1994 RSA's (RS in the VIN rather than PS). 94's had rear seats installed rather than storage bins.
This doesn't seem to make sense with regards to the previous threads on 718.
My 94 does not have a 718 stamp on the hood sticker.
05-20-2003, 09:25 PM
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Lewis, what was production date on your car? The date should be on the driver's door jamb sticker. If your car was made in 9/93 (after August change over to 1994 production) or after then it would not have the 718 if theory correct.
05-20-2003, 11:42 PM
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Seems the 718 was used across the board in 1993. I have found production numbers on US model C-4 coupe, C-4 Targa and C-4 Cab. This shows that the 718 is not just an RSA thing.
So "mid year specification change" really should be model year change. Lost in the translation I guess!
Bob, Porsche is doing it again with the start of production of the 2004 GT 3.
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So "mid year specification change" really should be model year change. Lost in the translation I guess!
Bob, Porsche is doing it again with the start of production of the 2004 GT 3.
Best,
Don
05-21-2003, 09:42 AM
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With regard to the the "718" code:
As I had posted earlier, "My car is a very early car with an M date of 3/92 and the VIN of 418020 or car 20/297 for 1992."
My car does have this code as well on the build sticker under the hood.
Remember that this is a 1992 'build car' sold as a 1993 'model year' vehicle. (My theory for the 718 code.)
With regard to the additional bracket above the battery...no, it does not appear in my car.
Also as noted before:
Yes, I have the additional flat black paint on my door edges and within the lower ventilation grill.
Yes, I have rolled/peened wheel wells.
Yes, I have RED crayon RS marks on the front of BOTH sides of my engine.
---New question----
Does anyone have any idea what the bracket on the passenger side of the front trunk approximately centerline of the the spare well is for? Last night we located this bracket on an early and late build RSA!
marc
With regard to the the "718" code:
As I had posted earlier, "My car is a very early car with an M date of 3/92 and the VIN of 418020 or car 20/297 for 1992."
My car does have this code as well on the build sticker under the hood.
Remember that this is a 1992 'build car' sold as a 1993 'model year' vehicle. (My theory for the 718 code.)
With regard to the additional bracket above the battery...no, it does not appear in my car.
Also as noted before:
Yes, I have the additional flat black paint on my door edges and within the lower ventilation grill.
Yes, I have rolled/peened wheel wells.
Yes, I have RED crayon RS marks on the front of BOTH sides of my engine.
---New question----
Does anyone have any idea what the bracket on the passenger side of the front trunk approximately centerline of the the spare well is for? Last night we located this bracket on an early and late build RSA!
marc
05-21-2003, 12:45 PM
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Are any of the brackets you see posted below? The first picture is of the alternate mount for the ABS brain. This would be an N/GT mod only.
The second is of the battery switch in brackets and switch. This would be an N/GT mod only.
The third picture shows the bracket of most interest which would be under the hydraulic brake pump pictured. The pump would not be in an RSA but the bracket with holes that would receive the three bolts with the gold and black washers pictured would be. These are the brackets that would be in an RSA if all the RS Touring operations were carried out on the body shell.
It should be made clear that I think the factory could not have "used up" already made RS Touring body shells to make RSA cars because the European shell does not have the necessary airbag dashboard. It is just a question of whether the identical list of operations was carried out on the body shell to make an RSA or European RS Touring.
<img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/P1010250Small.JPG" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/P1010251Small.JPG" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/P1010253Small.JPG" alt=" - " />
The second is of the battery switch in brackets and switch. This would be an N/GT mod only.
The third picture shows the bracket of most interest which would be under the hydraulic brake pump pictured. The pump would not be in an RSA but the bracket with holes that would receive the three bolts with the gold and black washers pictured would be. These are the brackets that would be in an RSA if all the RS Touring operations were carried out on the body shell.
It should be made clear that I think the factory could not have "used up" already made RS Touring body shells to make RSA cars because the European shell does not have the necessary airbag dashboard. It is just a question of whether the identical list of operations was carried out on the body shell to make an RSA or European RS Touring.
<img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/P1010250Small.JPG" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/P1010251Small.JPG" alt=" - " /> <img src="http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/P1010253Small.JPG" alt=" - " />