lart951

Jim, off topic your sig says beware of vendors that have zero negative, does that mean I have to get some negative feedback ??

User 52121

LOL!

Nah, you've got enough haters here. And when someone starts bashing you, nobody from "higher up" comes to your rescue, unlike some other vendors.

lee101315

I'd consider the standard 944 as an entry level car, then again ive always been arguing with 911 guys that a 944 turbo was never a " poor mans porsche "... A quick search on the web shows these MSRPs

1986 911 carrera coupe: $31,900
1986 944 turbo: $29,000
1988 Turbo S: $45,000

Interesting you mention the 968 Turbo, lart. I believe Porsche released the street version with 300hp and 365 ft/lbs. The RS would have definitely been faster than any 928, which was built for dentists. As for the air cooled 993TT? I think thats a stretch.... But running restrictor plates were common in many race classes.

Are the valves that big on the 930? The intake ports are tiny, way smaller the NA version. I have that turbo engine right in front of my desk ( flood victim ). What was the deal with a small intake manifold and ports into large valves?
Adiabatic cooling?

lart951

the RS had 350hp & 369tq, the 911TT of that day ran 320hp and 389tq

If you guys who posted on this thread bother to read from the beginning or you are pulling a forrest gump?

pole position

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Well, they only made a handful of 968 RS's mainly for homologation purposes for the ADAC series, apples to apples you would have to compare the limited edition lightweight 964 TS to it and , yeah, it would and did kick the 968 RS *** i.....

Consequently, 964 Cup/ RS , 993 RS/ Cup etc were indeed faster in terms of lap times than the 944 turbo Cup....

Carlsbergas

Didnt porsche make 968 turbo s? Or am i just dreaming ? And it was those 4 rs?

67King

I thought they were 51's? May be way off on that but that is what I thought.

Tom M'Guinn

The 951s was made 99hp per liter, compared to 85hp/liter for the 930. Hard to say the 951 was detuned in comparison, although a 3.3 liter 951 sure would have been nice.

odurandina

I'm not going to provide full scientific reasons, cuz I'm not that smart. the air-cooled 911 isn't just one of the best go-fast plans ever–w/ no drive shaft, or 345 Lb exhaust pipes (*see 968 ), less skin, and no heavy rear decklid/glass – if Walter Rohrl can do it, then a few other people should be able to...

but all that weight isn't just resting upon the rear axle – it's hanging out the back.
is this terrible? well, thanks to 15"-wide tires–apparently, not.

but the problems with trying to turn the cars without killing the drivers go back a ways.
but, they did improve them so the bad drivers would die less often.

to compare them to something else – ok, the transaxle P-cars need to go on a diet, get composite hoods, lexan glass, and need more hp than the 911...

but, that's ok. our cars handle better. can take tons of hp/(3.0T/V8) and still not kill their drivers running only 12" tires.... so while not as simple, i think the 50/50 is the better design. imagine an aluminum tub and composite skin.... and high hp.

and i like that driveshaft running the length of the car in case I get hit by a 747.

lart951

bhaaa dont listen to pole what does he know anyway, lol

lart951

what other car that copied and use the 50/50 weight distribution has achieve total success?

lee101315

Have you ever driven or raced a mid or rear engined Porsche? Do you know what the difference between front and rear engine is? Traction. Putting the accelerator down earlier on corners. Gaining forward speed while drifting ( to a point...) Most people who hate the 911s handling have yet to experience it, which is a shame.

Driveshafts are to be avoided in an engineers utopia...flexing, stealing energy from the drivetrain, and adding unnecessary weight to the car. It's hard for transaxle cars to get below 2300lbs because of that super heavy torque tube setup.

That doesn't mean the front engine rwd setup isn't effective, many sports cars dominate events with it.

lart951

Odu, is just a emo kid I doubt he ever owned anything else besides his surfboard and his 968

Paulyy

I'm not sure why maintenance is always mentioned about the 944...

Every car needs to be maintained.

every 25 + year old car will need a little extra care.

Every 944 turbo i see in Australia is worth $20,000 or more. Any lower and it'll have an issue with paint or interior. The engines are maintained.. and serviced.
What i see a lot of that happens in the states is someone is looking for a new car.
A porsche 944 t appears on craigs list (or what ever you use to buy/sell cars)
"oh wow a cheap porsche, that's cool.. i want it"
they buy it, okay time for a service.. just like any other car.. Change the belts and water pump and a few filters and oil.
Oh damn i can't afford all that, i'll just swap the oil and oil filter, the alternator belt and should be good till next year.
Engine plays up because fuel filter is clogged. Spends money on new parts like FPR, Injectors, Sparkplugs, Leads ect.. cannot solve problem. Back up for sale.
"for sale, 944t slight missfire (price slightly lower then bought for)"
new owner buys it for a small project... owner says fill service has been done last year..
He finds the issue, new fuel filter and car runs fine. Week later BOOM cam belt breaks.
finds out damage.. cannot afford to fix it.
'944t for sale, broken cam belt.. cheap price.
Lart buys it. End of 944t.

All i can say is i maintain my car and have not had a maintenance issue.
I've had an issue here or there that a replacement part has fixed.
Except the coolant hose bursting... that happens at old age... which i have mentioned. old cars need extra care because not ever part is on the maintenance list and one day will let go.

odurandina

I get what you're saying, but some of your comment seems not so different from what I was saying. to clarify, i like the driveshaft for helping to prevent the car from being crushed in some types of crashes.

I drove a Boxster last summer out to the Midwest for a local dealer here in the Northeast, and I drove gf's 964 for a couple of years back in the early '90s. I liked it, but I wasn't skillful enough (then or now) to use the car's hp to keep it pointed in the right direction (if it even had enough hp) less imagine changing from driving normal to driving like *** in an instant on cold street tires... no way I want to do that in a 911 even taking into consideration they've made them easier for less-skilled drivers in recent years on better, Pilot Sport tires.... if I'm going to push a car street driving, I want to do it with the 944/68, as it handles better even without fresh/hot rubber. obviously, I need to learn both cars (as Van has suggested)... but when I take DE, it'll prolly be a low hp 944.