Refresh951's Hybrid Ultra Stroker Build
#1306
I don't have any data that would help, sorry, but mechanical fuel pressure gauges show lots of spikes on my car (044 pump/83lb injectors, 3bar FPR, stock damper). I wonder what you'd see at idle if you increased the sample rate to 100 or 200 a second -- there might be a waverform in there tied to the combustion cycle that's masked by the sample rate?
Where did you put the raw and adjusted fuel pressure sensors? How/where did you get a raw (non-adjusted) fuel pressure reading and why is it less than the adjusted?? Or is that a graphing thing?
Would be interesting to see same data with a 3 bar bosch regulator...
How is the wiring to your 044 pump? Stock wiring is a bit wimpy for the big pump.
Is that the Live-graph software you linked above?
Where did you put the raw and adjusted fuel pressure sensors? How/where did you get a raw (non-adjusted) fuel pressure reading and why is it less than the adjusted?? Or is that a graphing thing?
Would be interesting to see same data with a 3 bar bosch regulator...
How is the wiring to your 044 pump? Stock wiring is a bit wimpy for the big pump.
Is that the Live-graph software you linked above?
I am pretty sure a higher sample rate would show pressure waves tied to the batch fire and associated harmonic also.
Raw fuel pressure is just the measured gauge pressure just like you would see on a FP gauge. The adjusted pressure is calculated and is the raw fuel pressure minus the manifold pressure which should theoretically always be 58 psi (4 bar).
Wiring to the 044 is solid with a large supply direct from the battery and a dedicated relay.
The graphing is with Excel 2013 which took a bit to figure out but is really killer! LiveGraph is Java based and should be a nice solution for coding in cross platform.
I like the idea of putting the Bosch 3 bar unit back on and looking at the data for comparison. Thanks!
#1308
Thanks Harry. Just using filtered water. Pretty simple setup really. Sprayers come on when boost reaches 7-8 psi (using a Hobbs switch). It really is amazing as water sprays into the IC and nothing comes out on the other side. It works so well I am not really motivated to improve it. It is ultra low cost using the washer pump and garden sprayers. Here are some photos:
http://refresh951.com/ICMods.htm
Last summer I used ice water in the take
http://refresh951.com/ICMods.htm
Last summer I used ice water in the take
#1309
What does happen to the water once it's sprayed onto the I/C ? If it comes through the I/C would it hit the rad and evaporate? I was thinking about doing same but we had concerns that this would go through our ducted system and wind up all over the windscreen?
#1310
You should measure the intercooler delta, better data IMO.
What gear/gears are those pulls from ? To effectively measure IC heatsoak you neeed prolonged WOT runs.
I still believe Meth (50/50) injection would give you better results in cooling the intake air with the added benefit of increased octane
Here is also some good IC and Intake manifold DIY testing http://www.myaudis4.com/intercooler-faceoff/
What gear/gears are those pulls from ? To effectively measure IC heatsoak you neeed prolonged WOT runs.
I still believe Meth (50/50) injection would give you better results in cooling the intake air with the added benefit of increased octane
Here is also some good IC and Intake manifold DIY testing http://www.myaudis4.com/intercooler-faceoff/
#1311
Hey Shawn,
How much & Where did you get the FPS from? My oil filled gauge oil turned yellow (assuming from e85) so something went wrong there so i need to replace asap. I figure i may as well log it.
How much & Where did you get the FPS from? My oil filled gauge oil turned yellow (assuming from e85) so something went wrong there so i need to replace asap. I figure i may as well log it.
#1312
We shall see.
Thanks Michael! I did not notice much difference with the ice water as I recall so I suspect you are right and it makes sense.
Edit: I just looked at some math and the energy required for evaporation is over 8X the amount of energy required to take water from freezing to boiling!
The sprayers I used (RainBird Garden Sprayers) are adjustable I would dial them back to a conservative output to be sure complete evaporation occurs. Have you been logging IC temps? My main reason for these sprayers was fear that my IC was too small and it would heat soak.
Thanks for the link.
See below:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261260635816?item=261260635816&viewitem=&vxp=mtr
0-5V output and very linear. I would calibrate it however at your supply voltage (+5V).
Edit: I just looked at some math and the energy required for evaporation is over 8X the amount of energy required to take water from freezing to boiling!
Here is also some good IC and Intake manifold DIY testing http://www.myaudis4.com/intercooler-faceoff/
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261260635816?item=261260635816&viewitem=&vxp=mtr
0-5V output and very linear. I would calibrate it however at your supply voltage (+5V).
#1315
I have thought about doing this a long time. Just too lazy.
But keep in mind that STis have this factory..its there for a reason.
Here are some other ideas to cover the IC more evenly...
http://www.enginebasics.com/Advanced...0Sprayers.html
But keep in mind that STis have this factory..its there for a reason.
Here are some other ideas to cover the IC more evenly...
http://www.enginebasics.com/Advanced...0Sprayers.html
#1316
Hit the dyno tonight and got some interesting results. Power definitely does not roll off with this intake, keeps climbing all the way to redline. The other thing that looks very encouraging is that I am getting about 20 hp/psi from 20 to 21 psi. With the old intake it was about 8 hp/psi. The motor is screaming to go higher in boost but I am out of injectors. New injectors and 24 psi coming soon. I will be posting more data in the next day or so.
New Intake at 21 psi
New Intake 20 vs 21 psi