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Old 05-19-2004, 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by krutschman1
If the manifold would work for both N/A and Turbo engines then the demand should be there.
different designs.
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Originally posted by Duke
Just a note, why pay $500 just for looks if you can get gains AND looks for $800...
The market for a $500 dress up piece under the hood is probably even lower than the market for the monster $5.600 JME piece.

I wonder how many of those $5600 barrel valave manifolds have been sold????????????????
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I know of a few off the top of my head. I can count at least 4.
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Old 05-19-2004, 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by Matt H
I know of a few off the top of my head. I can count at least 4.
Are you serious? wow. I could never justify that. Though it is a sexy bitch of a setup.
Old 05-19-2004, 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by fast951
Ok! Who would pay $800 for this manifold?
I have my credit card ready.
Old 05-19-2004, 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by shortyboy
id be in!try making a matching intak MAP pipe too!
tim @ speedforce has carbon fiber MAP pipes
Old 05-20-2004, 04:00 AM
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CF would be tricky on boost... that much volume area + 18 PSI is alot of internal force wanting to blow up.

But I'll take one..!
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Nz - yep, I am serious. I also know of a few of his slide body setups and cam setups and yadda, yadda, yadda. If you want to have a REAL nice 951, IMHO there are very few people who can accomplish that task, JME is WAY up on the list. Bring you investment banker.
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"Just a note, why pay $500 just for looks if you can get gains AND looks for $800..."

I agree. What type of increase in performance are we talking for the $800??

Also, I just threw 500$ out there as ball park. Also, the stock intake doesn not have to be used for the mold. Ccan always ues some bad *** aftermarket intake as the mold.

I am meeting with my freind tonight. Will also discuss IC pipes and J pipes. Either sold dividual or maybe a package deal.
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Also, does anyone know if a CF intake would flow any better or disipate heat better? Even if it is the same specs as stock?
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It would at least save some weight from the cra and from your wallet. That being said, I would be in!
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Originally posted by toddk911
Also, the stock intake doesn not have to be used for the mold. Ccan always ues some bad *** aftermarket intake as the mold.
Now we're talking
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It would at least save some weight from the cra and from your wallet. That being said, I would be in!

The stock intake weighs almost nothing. I am thinking 3-5 lbs.
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Originally posted by toddk911
Also, does anyone know if a CF intake would flow any better or disipate heat better? Even if it is the same specs as stock?
It definitely wouldn't dissipate heat better. FRP composites like an epoxy/carbon fiber matrix are generally a thermal insulator. There may be some specialized epoxy designed to enhance thermal conductivity with metal added, but I've never seen one. I haven't been looking for one though so I suppose it's possible that they exist.

Flow would primarily depend on how it's designed. It could be anywhere from far worse than stock to far better than stock just like fabbing one out of aluminum tubing. Of course if the finish on the inside of the runners is terrible and has all sorts of crap hanging down into the air passages that's not typically a plus either.

Considering the current computing power readily available and the relative ease of obtaining some decent CFD software these days, I don't think it would be terribly difficult to design a replacement that equals or outflows the stock manifold if you've got the time to invest and the expertise to operate the software correctly. And I'm talking a home-brew engineer here, someone really knowledgeable could likely do even better. If the design is good then it's just build quality and expertise that you're dependent upon.

Following up the number crunching of the CFD application with actual flowbench testing of a physical product would be smart too. The CFD programs are pretty accurate but a few minor goofs by the person setting up the test within the software could throw it way out of whack.

Probably wouldn't hurt the wallet so much to do your test pieces out of fiberglass/polyester until you get the final design nailed down too.
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Here is a sweet intake!

It also looks pretty simple. Looks like equal length runners and and a tube for the collector. Also take into account that I know nothing about the physics or engineering of intakes and air flow.

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