BC

Very much so.

Mark Anderson

Count me as one of those. I had a frickin blast

danglerb

I think an AT is boring on the street, but once I need to pay attention to braking and turning, adding "busy" feet blipping etc and I don't do that well which means less fun instead of more, or worse more cones, grass, and dirt.

OTOH drag racing, no turning, no braking, clutch and gears are again by far my favorite.

Mark I think you have valid data to add to this discussion, but don't forget one of the basic rules of the internet, somebody doing something and surviving should not be applied to anybody else trying it. Statistically the sample size is too small to make any kind of extrapolation from.

As much fun as the speculation is, pretty soon these new cranks are going to be in motors that can speak for themselves.

Regards "any driver-any track...keep it under 6000 and it will live." How about some sticky tires on a skidpad, round and round, edge up the rpm towards 6000 by adjusting the radius.

John Speake

I didn't realise that Todd's car is an auto....

brutus

Racing just about anything is better than not racing or watching. Trying to race and having repeated mechanical failures however just plain sucks. Or if like Mark Kibort you crash and total out two 928s racing, you might get smooth and smart and preserving the car becomes more of a priority than winning. Because as he says "most are just happy being out there" .

The thing about amatuer racing is the drivers are drivers because they have the money to buy the car and pay the expenses NOT because they can drive, they need only be able to write checks. Sure a few of them are quite good and once in a while a great one flies through as they climb up into pro racing but overall most are driving to be driving and having fun just being out there.

mark kibort

I race professionally, i instruct professionally, i am a professional.

seriously though, I race , i race full seasons and compete for regional championships against teams that are well funded. I do well, there is no differnece between what i do and what any of the top pros do in any other US series.
( by the way, in WCGT , they paied us to be there with prize money. once you win any price money, you techically are a professional. I, for one, would use that term loosly, but still when you make money, you are a pro. )

In fact, i would challenge that our racing is more competitive and more relivant to actual pro RACING in most (not all series). A guy that shows up with a million dollar car in WCGT and leads the race and wins with no comp, is not racing, he is time trialing.
Lot's of my racing buddies have done this and done very well in those series. we race shoulder to shoulder, in similar cars, and we have fun competiting

you on the other hand , dont really have any racing experience, expecially in the 928.
so, leave "racing "comments to the "pros". :roflmao"

SeanR

Mark is right, he has all of us Rennlist people who sponsored him to build that motor, to keep the Holbert car on the track. Problem was, he never put that sponsorship on his car.

Who's your sponsor now Mark?

Rob Edwards

Just for fun, I did a little text mining in this thread- I took all of MK's posts (2677 words' worth!) and generated a Word cloud. For those of you not familiar, the output fonts are proportional to the number of times they're used. Considering Mark is an empirical researcher, I find it amusing that the word 'think' is the second largest font in the cloud. It suggests to me a lot of uncertainty about the conclusions that he has reached, empirically. (But he sounds so sure about them!)

mark kibort

No, this couldnt be further than the truth. if you know anything about my backgrond, you will understand i dont do anything in cruise, or preseve mod. ive tried that one time and that didnt work (during a practice and qual once i got the stroker in).

the ONLY thing you learn from losing your car. (by the way, the first one was my mistake back 100 race days ago, wtih my 84 getting a little careless and the second was a fluke, taken out by a car that was being lapped for the 4th time on the last lap) is that you learn what to watch out for on the track and you get better about reading traffic, personalities, and strategy. you see things play out before you like you plan if you have good vision for the race and circumstances.

after my crash of the holbert car by that silly Honda, when i built my new car, i felt like i didnt miss a beat first time in a race. in fact, i raced it with NO testing to a time 2 seconds off my best with no aero and the car not even finished. the next race, fully prepared, matched my best time , and was fully back in the groove. athletes dont look back and reflect and then change their intensity to presever their equip. physically , mentaly or with the car. im faster now than ive ever been and nothing that has happened in the past will change that.
If i cant go all out, i wont race, and ill just DE or instruct.

Now, i can say when i come up on a lapped car that looks sketchy, I will say that i do think about the risks, and might delay a pass or elect not to use him as a pick, if i can avoid it and do it later under a more predictable situation. But make no mistake, i drive "flat out" as they say.


MK

I have had several sponsors of the car. last seasn most all races were private funders. the series i ran in, folks i helped with their cars or companies. I had no funds to race last year, but made it to 75% of the races in the season getting a 5th place overall. there were no complaints.
also, i was paied for WCGT races, which were televised and prize money was made as welll as sponsorship help thorughout as well.
I am no differnet than most any other racer out there, but i have had more racing for less money than anyone.

Now, the rennlist was supposed to help put together a banner of some kind for the hood or doors to promote the list and the group. this never happened but i would be glad to do this but would need some graphics and art work help to do it.

First of all, you have WAY too much time on your hands. seocond, you know what the dffernece is between statistics and emperical testing??
I THINK you might! and I THINK you have too much time on your hands!

BC

mark kibort

ME TO! (I THINK) (tribute to BC) i had a great tiime in it too!! in fact, it did everything pretty well. since we are not going from a cup car to a auto, it wasnt that much of a diff, only shifting without the clutch through the two gears we used.
if anyone has been to thunderhill, 2:05.xx is really fast and most any street car,vets, vipers, camaros , STI's, etc, never get near this kind of time even wtih decent drivers.

IcemanG17

Dangler
I have raced on everything from good street tires (Dunlop Direeza Star Specs...that pulled 1.25g on the trackmate)....to the range of R comps....Hoosier, BFG, Toyo R888 and RA1 say 1.4-5g.....& now have real pirelli slicks.....the slicks are MUCH faster......1.5g+ with ease...... I am in turn 2 (left 75-80mph) at well over 1g for 6 seconds EVERY LAP..... 76 hours on the engine and counting...

No oil cooler, no accusump.... BUT will I intentionally drive a skidpad (there is one at Thunderhill) until I blow the engine.........NO....no wetsump car can survive that......just no way, all well designed wetsumps can only hold the oil for a handful of seconds at best......

Some quick math for Doc's potential engine.......lets say a 5L makes 350ftlbs or torque (only 75ftlbs per L)....but can hold it to 7500rpm......BOOM...there is the 500hp 5L!!!!!!

My old M3 has a 4L engine....it redlines at 8400 and makes power until 8K.......103.5 hp/L torque is 73.75ftlbs/L

Tom. M

Funny....I did a word cloud on Mark K's posts too.... and I came up with this:


AMSOIL/VENTURI

mark kibort

thats the problem, BC (Brandon) has no track experience, so that will be his out.

actually, i have to agree with BC, i really hate automatics. i just love the shifting part, and have since i was 12 years old! BUT, as far as racing goes and how much OTHER things are going on in your car, the fun factor more than makes up for the lack of shifting.

Ill try and make it up for the 8th. ill have a passenger seat to take anyone for a thrill ride that wants one!

[quote=Tom. M;9302308]Funny....I did a word cloud on Mark K's posts too.... and I came up with this:



you forgot

"mock-what-they-dont-understand"

SeanR

Or how we've gone from another great thread and doing nothing but talk about what Mark Kibort has to say about it. Mark, isn't that what got you banned the last time?

Let's get back to talking about the technical stuff.