I had cause to make a couple of these for the engines we are building with stroker cranks. While I was at it, I worked out the details and put it into a kit for anybody else that wants one.

This time, you will not have to lengthen your own sump pickup to match the spacer, we have done that for you. And you will not have to find the right studs and starter fasteners - we provide them.

Even if you do not have a stroker crank - the value of lowering the pan a bit to remove the oil further away from the rotating assembly is very real and well documented. Especially where, on the 928, the clearance from the stock oil pan and the rotating assembly is crazy-close to begin with.

Benefits include: Reduce windage, gain HP, and help your bearings last longer by reducing the amount of entrained air in the oil. Also helps catch cans and crankcase ventilation systems work better (more laps before filling the catch can!)

More information, ordering information, and price are located here:
http://www.928motorsports.com/parts/oil_pan_spacer.php


NOTE: we do not recommend the use of an oil pan spacer with stock hydraulic motor mounts. Switch them out to our solid rubber or solid aluminum mounts when you put this in. Keeps the engine at the right height always, and allows the spacer to do its job.

 

I suspect you want that laidle as deep as the stock version. I have a suspicion that the more oil that it can capture in a racing environment, the better.

 

argh and my motor is done and in.

maybe next time.

 

I just installed one of these on the Lemons racer....not technically Carls kit..but similar....my 1st impressions are in increases the capacity of the sump by about 1.5 qts...so it takes 10.5+ qts to reach the original full mark on the dipstick.... But for track cars increasing the amount of oil without overfilling is a good thing...since the pickup will be covered for longer in the corners!!!

 

Carl.

Nice job. Looks really good. Keep up the good work!

 

Brian shouldn't the oil level remain the same 8.5 QT? If the oil level is same level before adding the spacer, then why add the spacer?

 

What no gasket between spacer and oil pan?

 

Greg,

I know that I and many others truly appreciate your products and input, but is a pan spacer really a proprietary idea? Carl has chosen to use Rennlist as an outlet to sell his products, and he sees a gap in the market for a kit where people may not know about yours. Is that not the most important aspect of business--finding the customers and marketing your product?

 

I dont copy anyone and I am offended at the suggestion.

Many of my products are first-time items, and I get copied and ripped off aplenty.
Many of my products are not new ideas, but I take previously hand-made items or single items and make them now commercially available.
I do not claim to be the inventor of every damn thing. Sometimes I am just the adapter, not the inventor.
Some ideas (like intake manifold spacers and oil pan spacers) are long-respected hot-rod solutions that have been around for years. All I did in this case is adapt it to the 928.

Greg, I looked at your site and could not find the spacer. I emailed AND called you to see if you would like to supply us with the spacer that I heard you make for your customers when rebuilding an engine. You did not respond. Your choice. I also noted your post on the Renn where you said you would not be making them anymore. Also your choice.

I needed a spacer for the 2 stroker motors I am building, so I made my own, and a few extras.

I also noted that, in the rare case where somebody had a spacer, you had to modify your own pickup and find your own hardware. I think thats bullix. So I did that too so the kit is complete.

 

This whole thread is now depressing. With what I think is a close community that continues development on these aging supercars, such public attacks are totally over the top and completely unnecessary. I don't know what crawled through greg's wheaties yesterday but his post was rude in the extreme, even for drama llama rennlist. I would hope his account was highjacked or something. This thread sure isn't giving his business positive exposure.

I hope others out there reading this don't take it as an excuse to bail on rlist and head to one of the other sites.

 

I'd rather talk about the product.

Kibort - how do you feel that the "laddle" or "cup" helps oiling? If you note, the oil gets into it, and can only weep out through a small hole at the bottom.

I feel that Porsche's intent was to have a small (very small) reserve of oil near the pickup.... perhaps by holding a cup of oil, when needed it could weep out of the bottom right near the pickup until it was lost.
Here is why it did not work (IMHO) in that manner:

1) the hole is too small to actually supply enough oil to the engine, the engine would still starve for oil at that rate. (I know, its a supplement, not the only source of oil, but still)
2) the conditions underwhich the oil would leave the sump and we would need oil from the cup are the same conditions (hard cornering, hard acceleration, acceleration up a hill) that would also spill oil out of the cup and render the small "reserve" useless.
3) the "reserve" it could offer in the very best of conditions is too small. Those of use that have used 2-Quart Accusmps know that a good carosel is longer than the Accusump has time for, so we use a 3 quart Accusump. A cup or less of oil is but a seconds worth (if that).

So, I had no reluctance to cut off the cup sides. It allowed us to extend the pickup in a straight section of tube and get a quality TIG weld in there.

 

Slick looking product, Carl.

 

Why not take it this product a step further and make it a modern re-usable metal gasket, utilizing an inlayed silicone rubber bead? Such a gasket could be made in two thicknesses, Standard and Extra Thick.

Also, what's the reasoning for placing the gasket above the spacer instead of below?

 

Carl to quote your own words to me "Immitation is the sincerest of flattery" (Charles Caleb Colton 1780 - 1832) when I posted about my Manifold Spacer Kits.

Looks just like the oil pan spacer kits made by Mike Simard.

Nice product by the way!

 

Tough crowd this morning... You guys didn't order coffee out of the same Starbucks I did I hope?